United Statessomewes with the new record 4:55.796.
7 frames faster than Kosmic, and the fastest 8-4 in a record since Kosmic's 4:56.462 in February.
(Please let me know if the image didn't work. Thanks!)
somewes after his new record 4:55.796: "This still isn't my end goal. I wanted like a low 7 or a high 6. BUT, I am gonna do 8-1 practice now."
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If it's a graphic of the fastest runs ever, I need to include ALL the fastest runs ever....which is nearly impossible. But if the graphic is just a World Record Progression, I miss cool stuff like somewes last night. Damn.
I guess I should just go with World Record Progression.....and therefore remove the latest somewes.
Wow, so somewes beat his PB by 6 frames, thus logging the 2nd fastest run ever. He also did the 1-2 pipe clip, but missed the framerule (reportedly by 1-2 frames). If he'd gotten the framerule, he would have beat the WR by 7 frames, with a 4:55.796 (plus or minus for rounding in the thousandths).
Until now, my graphic was the WR progression. But now we have a non-WR slotted in. Hmmmmm. I don't monitor EVERY run done, obviously. I mean for all I know, somewes or Kosmic might have runs faster than darbian that weren't WR, and therefore aren't on here. I don't know for sure. Well anyway, I just hope the damn image works!
Okay, one last try on this image.....from a new image host. If this doesn't work, I'll officially give up, hahaha.
I apologize that some of you can't see this image. Let me know if this one works or not. If not, I'll find another host.
I have updated the chart to account for the new 8-4 IL record, shaving a frame off the old record and therefore off the "Human Bests". I also added Kosmic's Glitchless record back to the chart, since he beat his old record and it serves as a comparison.
Or this link is allegedly shared, but it takes you through Google Photos I think....i.e. not fit for embedding: https://photos.app.goo.gl/qQ8jLijvFX3CZDWXA
I hope @Kosmic or somebody can provide some insight here.
Kosmic just beat the Glitchless record with a 5:03.716. His old record was 5:04.099. If I'm doing the math right, that's 23 frames.
I think he was on the same framerule.....which means he would have beat 8-4 by 23 frames. Is that possible? I know the previous 8-4 was really bad, but this one has room for improvement too. And I compared the Mario positions when the timer goes to 310 just before the axe, and it doesn't LOOK like 23 frames difference, but maybe that's not a valid comparison.
Or am I wrong and he wasn't on the same framerule entering 8-4?
Thanks for any help!
New record:
Old record:
Yeah. I used to have a column for human theory, as seen in the previous posts, but I couldn't find strong consensus on true human possible vs not.
Oh geez, I didn't even see that kosmic tied somewes earlier in the night. I have added the tied run (and dates) for completeness.
With kosmic's new record last night, we are now 1 framerule (in 8-1) and 20 frames (in 8-4) from the sum of best humans ever.
As somewes is trying for the 4:55.xxx, if he's perfect up to 4-2, gets the 4-2 clip, but doesn't save the framerule, is he continuing on to try to beat his record with a faster 8-4? Or does he abort? Or does this happen so infrequently that we don't know?
I mean, 4:55.xxx would be really really hard without the 4-2 framerule, but he could still beat his record by frames in 8-4.
Thanks!
Per Bismuth's awesome video, sum of Human Bests is 4:55.230 (after the 8-1 framerule achieved by StuckInAPlate as mentioned above). Human Theory is 5 frames (0.083) faster than that at 4:55.147.
For under 4:56, someone needs 1 framerule better than somewes, or to run the same framerule but 15 frames faster in 8-4.
(By all accounts, the 1 framerule (likely 1-2 wall clip) is more achievable than the 15 frames faster in 8-4.)
Updated Human Theory and Human Bests to include 8-1 FA+FPG to save a framerule.....adjusted times accordingly.
- Human Theory is anything that's theortically do-able by a human.
- Human Bests is is the best that has been accomplished by a human under any conditions.
Oh, huh! If it's been done, then I'd say both Human Theory and Human Best!
Original, Human Theory just meant what could be done without machine cheats like LR at the same time.
And Human Bests meant whatever had actually been done under any conditions.
I don't track it closely at all, so I'm happy to make any recommended updates!
Okay, somewes says he didn't get the lag frame, so that makes his 8-4 9 frames slower than Kosmic....4 frames slower than darbian.
With the .245 now within a framerule, adding the 1-2 wall clip would be 4:55.xxx with a reasonably slow 8-4.
But also note somewes was 19 frames slower on 8-4 than the human best. He needs 15 frames to get to 4:55.xxx, so he (or anyone) could run the same framerule but do 8-4 at 15 frames faster ....i.e. 4 frames slower than the fastest a human has done it.
Hi. I have somewes's new record being 13 frames faster than Kosmic. So that's one framerule (21 frames) faster, but then 8 frames slower.
If there was a lag frame (as there was for Kosmic), his 8-4 was 8 frames slower than Kosmic. If there was NOT a lag frame, his 8-4 was 9 frames slower than Kosmic.
Does anybody know if somewes had the lag frame? Or did he avoid it?
Thanks!
The image in my original post has disappeared, so I hope this one works. I've updated the chart to contain details from Bismuth's awesome new explainer video.
Questions remaining: What was the 8-4 frame count on the glitchless record? What is the official time if 8-1 FR is saved....and I might as well include it in Human Theory now that it's been done from a save-state, right? Does lag frame only happen in 8-2, or can it happen anywhere?
I'm trying to represent how the top runs are being accomplished, distilling it down to a graphic.
<edit: image removed because google changed their url scheme>
(I sure hope that link works.)
I know there are some TAS things not shown, and some backward fast accel, etc. But I'm really just trying to show the human-doable things that have been incorporated...beyond the 10ish-years-ago classic "glitchless"...in order to save frame-rules.
Thoughts? Or things I'm missing? I'd love to add a "number of frames" for 8-4, kind of to make the story complete, but I don't have that info.
p.s. I'm new here, and don't know that this is thread-worthy, so please lock/delete/ban as appropriate, with my apologies in advance.
Maybe this goes in the "Hate to be a stickler" thread.....the Rules say "Beat all 18 holes in golf, timer starts when you click "Eighteen Holes" and finishes when the last ball is putted. Runs under 14 minutes need video evidence as of February 2018."
Shouldn't that be "finishes when the last ball is holed" or similar?
