I do not believe it is possible to have 13 unique deaths that all go to the campfire. At the very least, on days 1 and 4, I can only find 4 deaths: Tree, Horn at Fens, Go to Pub, and Peasant/Poacher.

Of those, only the Pub has a campfire scene. So we're going to have to relax that restriction.

For (6). Definitely should be give ring to guard.

(9). Seems pretty slow, but I can't think of a better one. Maybe 9 should be fens, and (4) can be the poacher death.

The pixie cannot be caught on 1.1 with speed throttling off. As far as we can tell anyway. He just runs right through it.

You need 1.0 to pass. Google it, I found it on some abandonware site. Which I would feel bad about, but I did own the game long ago on floppy and I bought it again on GoG, so I guess it's ok.

I agree with your research as well.

I am very interested. I haven't had time to continue research.

Wow, a lot of things to respond to.

I agree about having a run first. No worries about that. Just was thinking about possiblities.

Looks like there are more differences than I thought.

I don't know how much you have to do to survive the trial. I'll have to test.

I think you should have to beat the game, and of course die at the end!

Shooting the tree is not possible after gaining his favor, so you'd probably do that day 1 if allowed.

But should it be allowed? I'm not sure. Here's my tentative route:

(1) Shoot Tree (2) Get hit by Monk (3). Give comb to guard (4). Horn at Fens (5). Fail Gems (6). Call innkeeper from cellar (7). Fail tree (8). Shoot yeoman (9). Get caught in forest (10). Get burned (11). Go to pub (12). Get sworded by false knight (13). Talk to monks on tower.

Of these, I think the tree is the only one that doesn't go to campfire.

I'm going to be perfectly frank: I don't see the point of Low%. There's so little difference in the run to any%. You pretty much already do the minimum. Just a few things here and there, but other than letting Marian die, the game play is almost the same.

What would be the thoughts on having different categories based on the ending achieved? Survive Trial, Get Best Ending, that kind of thing.

The other idea popping around in my mind would be a silly one: Die Every Day. Robin must die (Reach the restart/restore screen) on every day. And to increase variety, all 13 deaths must be different (Must reach a different campfire ending). Thoughts?

This leads to some otherwise impossible deaths. If you do Abby Monk first and create a save when you have the box, then play up to getting the scroll and learning the code; you can load back and get the fire ring before you're supposed to.

If you have it on when you cross the moat, the rider comments that it's a nice ring. You have that screen to take it off (guess they were being generous). After that the moment you put it on anywhere in the castle, you die. Even if there is no one around you.

The weirdest one is after you free the jester. You get a glitchy death scene where little John claims to have avenged you. (It's the same one you get for losing the staff fight).

The biggest thing is that you don't need arcade on to get points for the quarterstaff fight or the nmm game.

You just have to remember to turn it back up before the archery tournament.

Yes, if you have insufficient men for the final battle and you choose poorly, you get the normal cutscene but your men fall faster than they do. Eventually robin sound his horn as normal and says "Retreat! The battle is lost!"

Then your men sit around the campfire and tell you what an idiot you are.

Next project is compiling the ending variations. That will take a lot more time, lol. Good thing I love this game.

Breakdown by choice and day:

Choice 1 Success Rate Average Remaining Tuck 76.00% 25.8 Will 64.00% 23.2 John 56.00% 22.1 Allan 40.00% 19.5 Much 28.00% 17.2

Choice 2 Success Rate Average Remaining John 76.00% 26.8 Will 64.00% 22.9 Allan 48.00% 20.4 Tuck 44.00% 19.5 Much 32.00% 18.2

Choice 3 Success Rate Average Remaining Tuck 100.00% 23.0 Will 68.00% 21.2 John 60.00% 19.8 Allan 36.00% 18.4 Much 0.00% 25.4

Highest possible men: 34 -- Tuck, John, Tuck Lowest possible men: 12 -- Much, Much, Allan

There are 3 times when you can choose from your men's advice, for a total of 125 total paths. Here they are:

Day 5/6 Outlaws Day 10 Outlaws Day 11 Outlaws Treasure Allan 29 Allan 24 Allan 16 0 Allan 29 Allan 24 John 17 0 Allan 29 Allan 24 Much 23 0 Allan 29 Allan 24 Tuck 19 1 Allan 29 Allan 24 Will 18 0 Allan 29 John 29 Allan 20 1 Allan 29 John 29 John 23 1 Allan 29 John 29 Much 28 0 Allan 29 John 29 Tuck 27 1 Allan 29 John 29 Will 23 1 Allan 29 Much 22 Allan 14 0 Allan 29 Much 22 John 15 0 Allan 29 Much 22 Much 21 0 Allan 29 Much 22 Tuck 15 1 Allan 29 Much 22 Will 16 0 Allan 29 Tuck 23 Allan 15 0 Allan 29 Tuck 23 John 16 0 Allan 29 Tuck 23 Much 22 0 Allan 29 Tuck 23 Tuck 18 1 Allan 29 Tuck 23 Will 17 0 Allan 29 Will 26 Allan 18 0 Allan 29 Will 26 John 18 1 Allan 29 Will 26 Much 25 0 Allan 29 Will 26 Tuck 23 1 Allan 29 Will 26 Will 21 1 John 31 Allan 26 Allan 18 0 John 31 Allan 26 John 18 1 John 31 Allan 26 Much 25 0 John 31 Allan 26 Tuck 23 1 John 31 Allan 26 Will 21 1 John 31 John 31 Allan 24 1 John 31 John 31 John 26 1 John 31 John 31 Much 30 0 John 31 John 31 Tuck 30 1 John 31 John 31 Will 27 1 John 31 Much 24 Allan 16 0 John 31 Much 24 John 17 0 John 31 Much 24 Much 23 0 John 31 Much 24 Tuck 19 1 John 31 Much 24 Will 18 0 John 31 Tuck 25 Allan 17 0 John 31 Tuck 25 John 18 0 John 31 Tuck 25 Much 24 0 John 31 Tuck 25 Tuck 22 1 John 31 Tuck 25 Will 20 1 John 31 Will 28 Allan 19 1 John 31 Will 28 John 22 1 John 31 Will 28 Much 27 0 John 31 Will 28 Tuck 26 1 John 31 Will 28 Will 23 1 Much 27 Allan 22 Allan 14 0 Much 27 Allan 22 John 15 0 Much 27 Allan 22 Much 21 0 Much 27 Allan 22 Tuck 15 1 Much 27 Allan 22 Will 16 0 Much 27 John 27 Allan 19 0 Much 27 John 27 John 19 1 Much 27 John 27 Much 26 0 Much 27 John 27 Tuck 24 1 Much 27 John 27 Will 22 1 Much 27 Much 20 Allan 12 0 Much 27 Much 20 John 13 0 Much 27 Much 20 Much 19 0 Much 27 Much 20 Tuck 13 1 Much 27 Much 20 Will 14 0 Much 27 Tuck 21 Allan 13 0 Much 27 Tuck 21 John 14 0 Much 27 Tuck 21 Much 20 0 Much 27 Tuck 21 Tuck 14 1 Much 27 Tuck 21 Will 15 0 Much 27 Will 24 Allan 16 0 Much 27 Will 24 John 17 0 Much 27 Will 24 Much 23 0 Much 27 Will 24 Tuck 19 1 Much 27 Will 24 Will 18 0 Tuck 34 Allan 29 Allan 20 1 Tuck 34 Allan 29 John 23 1 Tuck 34 Allan 29 Much 28 0 Tuck 34 Allan 29 Tuck 27 1 Tuck 34 Allan 29 Will 23 1 Tuck 34 John 34 Allan 29 1 Tuck 34 John 34 John 31 1 Tuck 34 John 34 Much 33 0 Tuck 34 John 34 Tuck 34 1 Tuck 34 John 34 Will 32 1 Tuck 34 Much 27 Allan 19 0 Tuck 34 Much 27 John 19 1 Tuck 34 Much 27 Much 26 0 Tuck 34 Much 27 Tuck 24 1 Tuck 34 Much 27 Will 22 1 Tuck 34 Tuck 28 Allan 19 1 Tuck 34 Tuck 28 John 22 1 Tuck 34 Tuck 28 Much 27 0 Tuck 34 Tuck 28 Tuck 26 1 Tuck 34 Tuck 28 Will 23 1 Tuck 34 Will 31 Allan 24 1 Tuck 34 Will 31 John 26 1 Tuck 34 Will 31 Much 30 0 Tuck 34 Will 31 Tuck 30 1 Tuck 34 Will 31 Will 27 1 Will 32 Allan 27 Allan 19 0 Will 32 Allan 27 John 19 1 Will 32 Allan 27 Much 26 0 Will 32 Allan 27 Tuck 24 1 Will 32 Allan 27 Will 22 1 Will 32 John 32 Allan 25 1 Will 32 John 32 John 27 1 Will 32 John 32 Much 31 0 Will 32 John 32 Tuck 31 1 Will 32 John 32 Will 28 1 Will 32 Much 25 Allan 17 0 Will 32 Much 25 John 18 0 Will 32 Much 25 Much 24 0 Will 32 Much 25 Tuck 22 1 Will 32 Much 25 Will 20 1 Will 32 Tuck 26 Allan 18 0 Will 32 Tuck 26 John 18 1 Will 32 Tuck 26 Much 25 0 Will 32 Tuck 26 Tuck 23 1 Will 32 Tuck 26 Will 21 1 Will 32 Will 29 Allan 20 1 Will 32 Will 29 John 23 1 Will 32 Will 29 Much 28 0 Will 32 Will 29 Tuck 27 1 Will 32 Will 29 Will 23 1

Average Success: 52.8% Average Outlaws Remaining: 21.8

By Final Choice: Day 11 Success Rate Average Remaining Much 0.00% 25.4 Tuck 100.00% 23.0 Will 68.00% 21.2 John 60.00% 19.8 Allan 36.00% 18.4

Note that on average, Much's final plan has a higher average remaining, because you always lose exactly 1, whereas with Tuck you can lose a lot more if you go into the final battle with fewer men.

Minimum men for success: Tuck: Always works. Will: 25 John: 26 Allan: 28 Much: Always fails.

It's the ransom. I can confirm that it you do all the nice events and get everyone on your side, but don't raise a single penny, you get the noose.

If you get any amount, even the 700 from Puck, then you live. Next I want to try being a jerk to everyone and getting 700 to see if you live then.

I plan on cataloging every possible choice to see the outcomes. Not really applicable for speed running, unless we had things like "get best ending" or "survive trial".

I bought it from GoG, referred from Christy Marx's website. It appears to be using scummvm to launch. I haven't had any errors in playing. I didn't have any trouble with the pixie.

Well, it took a few tries, but it was my own error, not the game. First run last night was over 40 minutes. I thought "hide" would substitute for "fur" and died to the tree. Ouch. Fortunately I had saved before the pixie.

(1). How do you make it skip through the text so fast? I'm clicking but it goes nowhere near as fast as the WR.

(2). I'm having a heck of a time getting Robin to move from screen to screen in the forest. I have to click basically all the way at the very edge of the screen. Is there a way around this? The WR moves so quickly across screens.

(3). What causes the glitch of the King thinking Marian is dead at the end? Is it just based on Score / Ransom money raised?

If you beat the game without saving, you get credited with a completion percentage of 0. See:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex2iCxxWUAc3gFX?format=png&name=small

This requires careful planning and managing health throughout Black Castle since you can't refill till you beat the Ninja.

Could this be a category?

Discovered today while playing Difficult:

I somehow got inside those moving platforms, and then the game teleported me to the far side of the room.

Awesome! Speed running applications....?

Hate to harp on this subject, (And probably no one cares) but something is definately wrong with the in-game timer. I don't know if it's just on my end, but the numbers I've seen make no sense. See my most recent PB in regular which posted an absolutely ridiculous 20:31.

Good catch, sorry about that one. Thanks for putting up those other times.

I found a few runs to add to the leaderboards on Youtube. Hope it's ok to put them here. Make the boards look a little less like a ghost town.

Runner Difficulty Category Real Time In Game Time Link Maryjine Simple 100% 1:42:48 1:35:30 Fatboy890 Regular Any% 0:44:44 0:40:19 Shion Simple Any% 0:34:18 0:31:36 Jovan Hailey Simple 100% 1:47:00 1:36:35