Russia02.03.2020. As you might've noticed ILs for 2 categories are back by now. That's it. More won't come. Same sort of ILs will be filled for Doom 2 and eventually Final Doom, but it is a long work. As for why - my short response will be - it's not worth it. If any of you really care for corresponding categories and ILs, please go to doomworld / dsda. Creating more will create more "dust" on this leaderboard which isn't aiming to be full doom speedrunning scene and will never be, due to how limited srcom is for doom needs. For more detail, check this thread listed one post above.
Starting today I will be retroactively removing all runs that don't follow current ruleset, even though in the past the opposite was stated. That is being done to shape things into unified look.
Discord link will be moved from "Discord" tab on srcom into forum post. It is done to help strengthen out the fact that it isn't "Srcom doom speedrunning discord" and is "DSDA/Doomworld discord".
First time in a while writing this as a viewer only:
+Tech-wise everything seemed especially smooth this time, during parts that I watched almost none of technical troubles besides minor (audio levels and such) happened. +For a smaller-scale event I found it better to not have constant intermissions with hosts (while I like them generally), but on the contrary, I'd like atleast some interviews occur (unless there were some and I just missed them all). But I guess viewer intermissions really did fill the gaps, and were used pretty nicely.
- Overall everything felt nice and cozy from here, but there are still negatives I'll have to talk about in more explicit detail.
- This one is a minor nitpick, but I found it a weird decision to set up main room the same way it was set in 2018 summer. Attendee numbers were lower compared to summer18/19, as a result even during the day most of time, stream area seemed really empty, while stream 2 seemed more packed, when it had just 7-8 people in the room. Why not take same approach with room setting as in summer19?
- This one is major. Ads during runs. There's gotta be something you guys can do with twitch to NOT do that. I am really surprised that after long time running event this is something that has to be done. Hopefully your contract with twitch can be tweaked as this is definetely not okay. You might cut most important part of run, or some sort of speech like this and it seriously shouldn't happen.
- Next two ones are more local. Donating from Russia is pain. I know that it really isn't ESA's problem that our goverment went on banning multitude of IPs and ports all over internet to stop messenger (which still works). But having such an insane problem doing simple things shouldn't happen when you try to get every dollar possible for charity. Maybe something can be done with ESA website, or alternative donation page can be created, something to not make paypal hang. (ESA website isn't workin without vpn at all here)
- This one is tied to previous one. Language barrier is a thing, and while I do understand reasons on "why" restreams were cut, I am 100% certain that interest in event for russian-speaking audience went down. Many people didn't even notice or talk about an event, as nobody talked about it who has numbers. And those who watched it, only stayed for a handful of games, with quite a few who wanted to donate not being able to do so, due to how not obvious it is to donate from here. I really want ESA to grow and I'm happy that this winter almost doubled previous one, but there's gotta be some way to help audience reach you. Maybe some sort of agreement with twitch, maybe some sort of your specific resream channels, that generate revenue for you, if "not being able to show ads to those on restreams" is the issue. And people here in Russia generally do love ESAs more than GDQs due to game variation. Anyway I'm already ranting here, but it comes from love to event.
All and all, event was fun to watch, despite my post seeming more negative than positive. Can't wait for summer!
Eventually I will add them, for now it isn't top priority, since it is far from most popular categories (current priority is nomo, then doom2 uvspeed/uvmax/nomo, then plutonia/tnt). If you want to submit your runs - do it on doomworld, for dsda.
I was stating in some thread, that while adding LBs I want them to be initially filled with proper WRs and that takes time.
Hi. To answer your question - you only HAVE to submit demos if you happen to get 1st place / tie 1st place, in other cases it is RECOMMENDED, but not mandatory. At least to speedruncom leaderboards that is.
You might also want to join discord, it has #help channel, which also has a page about prboom, which has info about demo recording, in crispy that will be pretty much the same thing, except for different exe file. (in case you have troubles joining discord - https://dsdarchive.com/guides/prboom_plus)
thing is - we had similar discussion regarding that kind of category in gta2 and it has borderline stupid ruleset in the end. In gta1 it might be slightly more reasonable, but if in odd chance you get few cars chained in explosion, you get combo, then as a result you can complete area faster. Did you do it accidentaly? Mostlikely. Will it affect your runs? Most certainly.
Glitchless is definetely out of discussion, but no major glitches is a thing that can be discussed. I'd like to have what other people have to say. Regarding Tequila Slammer - I'd consider it a glitch, an error made during development and as a result it breaks intended way of playing. Mandarin Mayhem thing is definetely a glitch, but comboing is an intended part of gameplay and is a reason why defining ruleset will be a problem.
If we call it NMG - then why we ban combos? If we call it comboless - then what do we do if you accidentaly chain 2-3 cars in explosion?
Anyway if we go with it, I'd call it NME (No Major Exploits) and just put all listed above - purposeful carstacking, mandarin mayhem 999999, tequilla slammer exit in there. Want to hear more from @Molotok and @mik before this decision is made.
I know many probably won't care (and probably nobody checks this game at this time), but when you do ILs game always takes into consideration how much ammo you had, how many nukes total you have etc. It even applies bonuses that you get for collecting all nukes (double kick power for easy nukes, half damage for medium and special gun for hard). Should we restrict ILs to savefile that has no nukes? Or should we just let anything go? None of that is relevant to fullgame, since you always play on new savefile.
20.11. Individual levels ILs will be coming back from tomorrow onwards as I will have time to fill them in with basic stuff. If you really wonder why this whole shit-show happened, go listen to me talk for 1 hour here - https://www.speedrun.com/doom1/thread/fspli/1#kha18
Rules for ILs will now be more strict, with WR submissions (or tied WR submissions) requiring demo files to prove run's legitimacy. As for bigger categories this will also be the case (but might also be locked on time that you end up getting). It is done on a basic logic that if you happen to get run which is exceptionally good by larger community standarts you should also provide according artifact - demo file.
Non vanilla-compatible source ports will be instantly getting rejected from now on. All "might"s in rulesets are gonna be changed into "will"s.
This process will take some time and will bring ILs for Ultimate Doom, Doom II and eventually Final Doom, since the latter had the lowest popularity.
gzdoom emulates game on a completely different level, usage it for speedrunning is highly not recommended, except for wads made specificly for it. For best speedrunning experience you should try prboom/glboom or crispy doom.
My way too late response to things I've done.
tl;dr - I am regretting what I've done. I don't expect you to agree with me or understand my personal takes, while I hope you can understand this reasoning. ILs are coming back, rules are going to change in certain way.
there's one thread on this already - https://www.speedrun.com/doom1/thread/mxkas , where everything was said and extra conclusion was made by me not so long ago No need to create extra threads, while I do appreciate your effort going extra mile creating this wall of text, this topic is way more complicated than you might be seeing it.
I agree. While it was expressed to "why" it happened, it was also overreaction on my end to getting annoyed with all talk on that topic, so when "nuking LBs" was proposed for like 3rd time - I did actually went with it, cause I got annoyed.
Truth be told - those who actually care about doom came to discord and started doing runs and became good at it to the point of high competiteveness. While srcom page definetelly died off completely.
Looking back - I should've done something different, enforce extra rules. But it was also time when I didn't have much time to do this stuff and noone else (who's eligible enough for it) wanted to do anything with this mess.
So I might think of something in upcoming time, cause I want it to be accurate, but I also want this page to be more alive. Maybe bit by bit it will come back. Maybe I'll ignore the hell out of it.
As to how you submit .lmp to srcom - upload to dropbox or some other cloud service and put a link in description.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqcYluu5zm7uqBNGL8kextA You can watch this YT, if you want ILs, it has all up-to-date IWADs and more.
22 Sep 2019
Categories have been updated to represent newly added campaign - Bright Island. IL table will get updated, when I get to see all level names.
I'd propose making loadless timer main timing method, since it is more consistent. That's pretty much it :v)
Unfortunately you can't really have one without another and have that run "accepted" by general doom community. You can record demo only and then produce video out of it later, with prboom+. And demo goes as primary source of info. For visual stuff there is ofc "DSDA on YT" youtube channel, ran by Zero Master, which uploads relevant WRs from time to time. Also as story tells - most people care for WRs only, and rarely care about ILs, unless they are told "HEY THIS IS GOOD" (examples would be - shock's 8s e1m1 or Looper's Chasm, since Karl Jobst made indepth videos on those). And even less people care for WADs outside of publically known ID software releases.
As for longer runs, there usually is a video provided anyway, since it is completely understandable, that 99.999% of people who watch speedruns, won't even check what's going on on dsda or doomworld. So you'll see big runs instantly ported to YT, and there still is nothing wrong with it. But this video comes from demo and demo is the only source of truth, so we just can't ignore this forever.
Question goes - should we "enforce" both video and demo to allow run to be hosted on speedruncom, due to how many people just click pages and watch stuff, and unless it is a video, they won't bother; or should we allow demo-only submissions. And I already said my take on that in another thread.
