Hi, it’s me with a quick thread to sort out an open question we as mods of MGS1 failed to clarify in the rules. In another - no deleted thread - we talked already about the timesave iLL_Pazzo found for the hind fight.

See here:

How to perform it:

• Take the Stinger ammo box before the Hind ladder
• Take the ladder and start the Hind fight
• Kill the Hind WITHOUT (very important) using GME
• When the Hind reached 0 health, just suicide
• Take the ladder again and leave the roof
• Go down the stairs and go to Wolf2 using GME2
• Congratulation, you just saved 25 to 30 seconds (depending on how fast you suicide) on every category without even using GME or area reload

As far I as I understood, this was fine for runs to be done, hence why I added the video and how to the wiki for the all bosses route. Today we had new discussions regarding this topic that this strategy should be not allowed.

So, hopefully for a final time - let’s decide if it should be explicitly banned in the rules of the all bosses category (and glitchless of course as well).

My understanding was, this trick meets the rules as they stand today, deplete the bosses health bar. Even if the game thinks we didn’t finish the boss fight.

At the end we should have it cleared up and added to the rules then for a yes or no decision.

Hip hop hooray

hi @kingofthebeez we have the issue with Xenia currently, that its update tickrate is tied to miliseconds, not correct fps. so 16ms leads to slightly faster than 60fps updates and 17ms setting is around 58fps updates. so either way it won't match a flat 60fps which is the ideal case to compare it to rpcs3 and regular consoles.

It does however run way smoother.

for MGS3 we had the same issue and that led us to this weird state of having a new category, RTA timing method and time ending before credits begin. it was an attempt to revitalize the board while giving people more ways to play. now with the MC coming, this board is in question as well again. so for MGS2 here, my suggestion is to allow RPCS3 specifically and disallow xenia for clarity. RPCS3 stays IGT and gets unhidden. ultimately, if no one has an interest in doing a run on RPCS3, nothing needs to be done - but being proactive about this may help other people picking the HD version up before MC releases as warm up / practice grounds for the coming versions.

think that's all I have about that topic so far.

Glad that we were able to make this change and I’m looking forward to all your submissions. Happy racing!

Well you go here and make a new account: https://discord.com/invite/sWJX4fF8yX

Well, if it’s not on the main board but can be a fun challenge (cigarette%) or alternative way of playing (see keyboard only) then it can be discussed if this new way is worth adding to the CE baord. Granted if it’s going to end up you just asking if we can make Meryl ending for the ce board I don’t think it’ll happen. However, I want to encourage you still do the run you want to see in the world. Srdc is not the end all be all when it comes to make speedruns. If you have other questions in regards to new CEs or ideas, feel free to join the discord of the community too if you’re interested.

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Correct

I’m so glad you included the spoiler warning. Feel free to make a run of your favorite ending and submit it to the boards. However there won’t be a new variable or sub category made for this specific purpose.

as a mod I'll chime in too (running soon) I'm okay with both.

Yeah see individual levels for individual boss fights

sure enough, there is no problem if a run is not the fastest ever was or will be. feel free to post your run and good luck on your attempts! Remember to check the rules in case you need a specific setup for the openMSX emulator.

Yes you can. The boards are just empty because so far no one has posted a run yet for that particular version

In general I’m pro Turbo, but I can’t see much use of it outside of skipping cutscenes maybe. For the most part I’ve not been pressing buttons much repeatably to do a boss fight for example. Mgs2 is full of turbo advantages for boss fights. In tts i guess it cant hurt and hence feels like a “whatever” choice.

But it’ll be different between a pc enabling turbo on emu vs a console run not having The same advantages.

So idk, I’m pro turbo in general. But don’t see why it would be beneficial in this game specifically.

The category has been established: https://www.speedrun.com/mgrrce?h=Stealth-Hard&x=z27ylgg2-9l75p9q8.14o53mwq

Happy running!

thanks, I'll watch it a bit later as I'm busy right now. but I'm aware :)

low but audible is totally fine, just not muted.

Okay, after thinking about it the following things I think should be set clearly: Stealth% means completing a game from start of R-00 to finish at the final QTE input at R-07. A maximum of 22 alerts are allowed, runs with unexplicable 23 alerts will not be accepted.

Furthermore, in your run submission we can only hear the voice audio, but the rules state we need to hear audible game audio, which includes the other game sounds (music excluded). Please make a new submission video that has both voice and general game sounds audible.

Finally, showing the credits is not mandatory, but showing the final result screen is. I agree, the other rules of not using cheat engine are covered in the general game rules obviously.

Once you have that submission ready, we can accept it and add the category to the boards.

Please link a VOD of the category that you are proposing.

That setup is not supported.