Czech RepublicI care about it, because the speedrunning community is slowly splitting apart with many game communities having different and sometimes strange rules compared to what used to be a standard set by SDA many years ago.
ManBun: I've seen plenty of Bubbles's streams to see the issue you're having with this intro. Yes, I don't run this game and I'm not part of this community. Does that make my points any less valid? Sounds like you think so.
How does this rule effect me? It literally makes me sick to my stomach to think that someone would "cheat" in speedrunning by cutting a part of a game just to have a better chance to get WR, while all previous runners simply had to deal with that part. And I too hope that Bubbles will have the WR forever.
As for TAS, I was specifically talking about changing the framerate from 60 to 20 to make coverslides more consistent (sorry if it wasn't clear from my post), not the actual 60fps lock.
havrd: And I love how you never reply to my arguments about the intro giving inconsistent times, some sort of "FULL" control or "real" beginning ManBun was talking about, whatever that means, or the fact that by skipping this part you don't play the full game. Instead you talk about stuff that has nothing to do with F4, completely throwing my arguments under a carpet. Good job arguing.
Like I said in my previous post, if Skyrim, Dishonored, ME or any other communities just skip auto-scroller or the beginning cutscene that always end up with the same time, I'm fine with that. Although sometimes I think this "cut" part should be included into the timer (just time, not the actual video). Even if there was something fishy in other games, like this rule you're going to add to F4, the decision was already made and applied to runs, so I'm pretty sure my opinion would be just ignored. I can't really imagine that mods would change rules and timing for a game with hundred of runs, based on one individuals opinion. That's just not gonna happen :) So it would be a waste of time, if you ask me. You know it and I know it. In case of F4, the rule is still "in process" if I may say so, so I merely decided to point out that it has several major flaws. It had nothing to do with how big community this is. Why didn't I do this in other communities? Because I simply didn't know about it till people started using it in their runs, or I haven't noticed, because I don't know the game well enough. I hope that answers your question.
For your information, by the time I did my F1 segmented run, it was the fastest time by about half a minute (don't remember exactly). Couple weeks/months later, PLANET did an extensive research and found a lot more tricks and new strats, which is the reason why my run is actually slower than Any% - because it uses obsolete strats. I never improved it, because people started to change settings in ¤.ini files, which I believe I agreed to at first, then later realized it's wrong, and also started using russian translation, which has faster combat animation, because an artist probably did a lazy job and only drew half of the frames.
molluskmoth: Please read my previous post. Thank you.
j00lsn: I said making RUNNING this game easier, not make the game easier. Please...
"b) their twitch audience so they get more chance to see a complete speedrun instead of hours of countless restarts, period!"
I thought speedrunning is about completing a game legitimately as fast as you can, not about pleasing your twitch audience. I guess I was doing it wrong all that time...
Zefie: "The assertion that you can't play a videographical computerized game however you want is absurd."
You can play a game however you want, just don't call it speedrun if it's not complete. By all means create a separate category "Any% no intro" or so, just leave Any% as is.
Steam version of Fallout allows you to use sfall, which is probably that 3rd party patch you mention. It's an officially released version, so what's wrong with that? Speaking of 3rd party stuff, you do know that changing framerate with Dxtory is pretty much TAS? Yet you use it in F4 runs.
Tomb Raider: The only thing you get from Japanese versions are enemies with less health, which specially in case of TR4 is rather pointless since pretty much everything dies in one shot or gets skipped. Since 2006, I saw ONE run done on Japanese version. Nobody runs this version and nobody complained. If they do, I'm open for discussion.
Jinjenia: " I don't think there is a "Speedrunner Association" that outlaws this. We voted like this as a community, and in the end we're just making our speedrunning experience a little bit better, at the cost of someone else not running the game disliking it."
Too bad there isn't such organization, because what some speedrunning communities do is unbeliveable.
I wonder how people not running this game are gonna react to a run without intro gameplay. Good luck defending it on Youtube... or just disable comments.
j00lsn: "Ewil try running the game for a month and then you will understand what this is about!"
I know what it's about. It's about making running this game easier, because the intro is frustrating and you'll get sick of it quickly.
Jinjenia: The intro may be miserable, but that's not really a reason to skip it. It's simply part of the game and you have to deal with. If you don't like it, don't run it. The problem is that this intro is not 100% consistent. Looking at Bubbles's WR, his first split says +1.0 compared to his previous run. Does that look consistent to you? That can be a difference between WR and 2nd place, as we have already seen on this leaderboard. If you skip this part, you basically don't complete the game, so please do yourselves a favor and never call your runs "World records", because it will be an utter lie.
Zefie: True :)
ManBun: What exactly is this FULL control of your character? You can control your character just fine during the intro.
havrd: Dishonored - seems like that's just intro cutscene, but unless you can do some inputs during it, it doesn't change anything regarding the time, so I guess it's okay. Mirror's Edge - can't really comment on this one since there are no rules (lol) and I don't know the game well enough to see what's different. Skyrim - from what I've seen, it's mostly auto-scroller. If it always ends at the same time, I'm fine with skipping it.
I don't follow Skyrim community, so I didn't know they do something similar.
Maybe the button mashing is consistent as you say (it never is, but whatever), but there's still the matter of running around, which can result in different times, although it's not that huge of a difference. If this would be an auto-scroller like the intro part of Half-Life, then why not, but not when you as the runner actually have to do controller inputs.
"There are certainly alot of other games with the same rules, only that they had the rule in place from the begining."
I'd really like to know which ones, because I haven't seen any.
I'm not a runner of this game, but this is ridiculous. Starting a run from a different point than the actual beginning of the game just because that beginning is frustrating and long is simply wrong. You may as well start anywhere else in the game and make up some new argument to justify that decision.
"an intro with little to no tech or skill required to do faster than anyone else."
From what I have seen, you have to do some precise button mashing and it's not like everyone is getting consistently same times.
Unfortunately I didn't notice the poll on Discord, but since it was overwhelmingly decided to accept this rule, it's not like my vote would make any difference.
Answer from admin: Looks like a false positive auto-ban by the spam filter, unbanned.
Try it now.
I have forwarded it to speedrun.com admins. You can see the progress here: http://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/frjsy/29#p24nj
User "X1PROCL" is apparently banned or there is something wrong with his profile as he can't submit runs.
Check this thread: http://www.speedrun.com/Need_For_Speed_World_-_Offline/thread/tzz39
Could you please look at it?
Nobody was banned. His profile is active and his time is on the leaderboards, so I'm not sure where did you get that "proof". Besides, we as the game mods can't ban users, only website admins can do that.
Nobody was banned. His profile is active and his time is on the leaderboards, so I'm not sure where did you get that "proof". Besides, we as the game mods can't ban users, only website admins can do that.
I've changed the default subcategory to "No powerups" as nobody did Powerup runs and the leaderboards looked empty :)
He doesn't use any custom skins. He used console commands, which is allowed.
Thanks. It might take a few months before I do any runs, though :(
If someone makes a TAS of this game, we will create appropriate category for it, just like in classics.
Problem?
I get your point, but that run was imported here and its older than speedrun.com itself, so you could have figured out it comes from ¤somewhere else¤ and is/was valid there. Moreover, it was probably imported by me, so you could have asked me and we would figure out a solution instead of acting yourself and removing a valid run.
This is why there are multiple mods for one game - to speed up verification process AND discuss changes in rules etc.
I'm up for a segmented subcategory and we might even see this in classic tomps since people started to use waaaaay more segments... but that needs to be discussed.
