Nightmare & Night Terror, must be an RTA timer. Timer starts as soon as you gain control of Clancy, and to avoid wrong timings on final jack death, timer ends as soon as score page is shown.
Two options here
Option 1: 4 different categories Nightmare, Nightmare+, Night Terror and Night Terror+
The + categories allow all weapons and boosts, the normal categories forbid the circular saw and infinite ammo, it’s essentially NG as opposed to NG+. Both categories allow all traps, doors, machines and everything to be used.
Option 2: Just have two categories, Nightmare and Night Terror; allow all weapons and infinite ammo to be used, just do it as fast as possible.
Bedroom
Simple, RTA timer, timer starts as soon as you press the button to start the videotape, timer ends as soon as you see the standby video screen at the end.
Just do it as fast as you can, no real rules needed here, but it must be the true ending (Clancy escapes)
21:
RTA timer, timer starts as soon as you gain control of Clancy, timer ends as soon as you lose control. 3 Categories. Normal 21 Playthrough, Survival and Survival+
No need to differentiate between “flawless” and not, if you lose a finger or get shocked it doesn’t change the category, it just slows you down so obviously everybody needs to aim to not lose a single round. (The only reason I say this is because to have a non-flawless category you’d have to go out of your way to lose a finger or get shocked, which is pointless. If you can beat someones time while also losing a round, go for it.)
Daughters:
Simple enough, RTA timer. Timer starts when you gain control of Zoe (right after the intro video, so once you skip it, start timer) and timer stops as soon as the screen goes black after being grabbed by Eveline at the end. (I personally feel that like the main leaderboards and Bedroom, true ending only, meaning you need to finish in the trailer.)
Jacks 55th Birthday
Level based leaderboard for each level, rank is irrelevant, however obviously SS is the fastest. Use IGT as the timer. I propose these rules: No golden crowbar No golden blaster No infinite ammo No time bonus a-I, a-II, b-I, or b-II No bobbleheads
You use whatever items are given to you in the box for that level ontop of whatever can be found in the level (still excluding those bobbleheads). Time+speed blasters are permitted, all other boosts are allowed.
If you start allowing crowbar and gold blaster, as well as bobbleheads and time boosts, the times are going to be dumb, you can easily finish every challenge with only losing 3 seconds or so, then its going to come down to who can round the first corner of the map in the least milliseconds. Don’t add bonus time to the end time, just look at the final time counter, because it counts the total bonus timer you gather as opposed to how much bonus time you actually used, then it’s going to end up with some unnecessary math, which adds human error in submissions.
(Example, my current record for Guest House 1 is 14:56:599, if I had 1:27:367 bonus time added but only used 1:12:142 of the bonus time, you’ve then got to take and add and subtract and all sorts of shit, just count that final 14:56:599 as the final time).
There is the second option of course and if its really in high enough demand, have two categories, one with those rules, and one where you can use all the stuff you want, and just time fractional miliseconds from that one tiny start corner.
The Simple One
Ethan Must Die One category, no retrys AKA, no death statue pickups, use end IGT as timer.
Timer: x:xx:xx
These, from extensive research and testing of all sorts of shit seem to be the most reliable and also most manageable ways to run the leaderboards for them; in the end it's down to the supermods, but DLC leaderboards are in high demand, and I myself would like to see them on there. But, this is a forum and so if anyone has any changes or suggestions, feel free to post them so the higher ups can make their final decisions.
Nightmare/Night Terror: Can these even be sped up? I thought it ran on its own timer? Otherwise, ruleset seems fine. I'd go for Option 2 myself because Option 1 still isn't really NG when you're going to start with things like extra scrap and some other stuff unlocked and relocking it is cumbersome and you'd have to do it after literally every attempt if you wanted "true" NG. I'd just let it rock. I doubt anyone will mind.
Bedroom: SeemsGood 21: SeemsGood (I note that no NG/NG+ split has been proposed for this one despite it being mostly the same as Nightmare in terms of having unlocks that affect things, just to kinda bolster that point.) Daughters: SeemsGood
Jack's 55th: That ruleset sounds like an incredibly complicated way to use the IGT where it doesn't seem that appropriate due to how much the game allows you to modify it more akin to a score attack than a speedrun. I'd just ditch much of that and use an RTA timer, it'd be way less of a headache and much simpler for players to understand.
Ethan Must Die: Banning death statues outright seems weird, since it's a pretty ordinary feature of that gamemode and people have already done runs using it and it feels kinda off to me to retroactively decide said runs don't count after the fact. I don't really want a second category myself either, but I like leaderboards to have all the times, especially the faster ones.
(as a sidenote I'm surprised it's taken this long for stuff to happen about the DLC OSsloth )
Nightmare and night terror can be sped up. When you have to defeat all enemies to end the night the faster you kill them the quicker the night ends, also using the crafting menu pauses time progression in the night. Option 2 would be easier, the only reason I added the potential for option 1 is I enjoy not having infinite weapons like the saw and infinite ammo, if you don't have that for one category then the run doesnt just become about beating it fast but also about ammo purchasing and management.
21: As much as it'd be great to have NG/NG+ for this, Nightmare and Night Terror you have the choice to purchase the NG+ items, whereas with 21 once you unlock them theyre automatically added to the trump pile, theres no way to prevent certain cards coming out
Jacks 55th: This is probably the most controversial one in terms of timing, and I feel it needs more thought. An RTA timer could be a good way around it, since it'd be similar to trying to time it like the rule-set category, but you don't need to restrict people.
Ethan Must Die: You could have two categories, one completely random no statues and one allowing setup. However if you're going to allow people to set it up surely we should be timing the setup time as well? Since that's actually part of the work that went into it.
Ethan Must Die:Timing the setup time,no.It should just be separated with statue and without,i just did 7:37 with the statue
"However if you're going to allow people to set it up surely we should be timing the setup time as well? Since that's actually part of the work that went into it."
Eh, we don't time the time put into beating the game the like, three or four times over to set the file up for NG+ runs and neither does any other game and I figure it's basically like that. It's kind of a pain in the ass to set up I imagine, but since runs already exist having done it clearly it's not enough of a deterrent for people.
disclaimer: i have not even beaten ethan must die and probably wouldn't run it i'm not really making this point for myself
In Ethan must die, it's more a case of imagine if you could go through the game and pick up the magnum, then run back to the garage and leave it next to the G17 spawn, then restart from the beginning, start the timer and all of a sudden have the magnum for the first few fights. Substitute the magnum for the saw, infinite ammo, Albert, any item and all of a sudden you're at a major advantage to just doing the run fresh and it didn't cost you any extra time in the run.
I definitely think it's worth having both categories since it's also skilled trying to set up the run, but there's also a lot of skill in doing it completely random, we can satisfy both
I would probably sticky this thread just so it's more visible and not prone to being pushed down, I feel like this should be the most pressing matter for the boards at the moment.
