I've always said when there are more runners the leaderboard would be split down, pretty much despite the games being on PC we got maybe like 2-3 runners (across the whole time BBS has been on the Epic Game Store) that did more than say 1 run if that. There wasn't even interest in making anything like an auto splitter or a loadless timer until recently. If the steam version brings more interested at the release then we a split will occur but only if we get enough runners/runs for it. We have always been open with this and I have said it multiple times in the BBS discord text chat whenever it is asked.

And to note here we have had 0 PC runners for DDD since Epic Game Store release which is why it was never done there so again my stance is the same there show some more interest then we will amend the leaderboard. I cannot speak for RE:CoM since I am not a Mod for that game.

Is there also proof of the 15 minute difference you mentioned? No one has ever brought this to our attention so it's a little weird to me, I know some hardware for BBS does load slower but it has never been stated to be as much as you are claiming. BBS has always had weird loading issues between even the same hardware on console so am interested where the number came from and would like to make my own comparisons. From what I recall we have had 0 all stories runs done on PC so have nothing to compare to, we currently have none submitted either.

At this time the standpoint will remain the same on modifications, the reason isn't due to it being combined with console the stance is the same regardless. We can't 100% tell how they effect the game even it's just cosmetics. This game as lot of differing bits of RNG all over the place and not knowing what modifications effect is an issue from the verification side. These runs rely on things like enemy drops etc so if they effect even slightly how that works it could give an advantage to whoever is using said more even if it's just a colour mod to make floods green as an example.

I appreciate the work deathofall84 is doing to try and get all games in line with each other but at this time I am pretty firm in my stance. I am not convinced a leaderboard split would bring in more people, a lot of people show passing interest but ultimately don't start running the game. The only real time we had a surge of runners was when Aqua Level 1 was first done on PS3 which gave us a ton of runners. As a final note the top level runners in this game all currently play on console and have never considered switching to PC for the game which has fed into how the leaderboard has been run.

Once you hit lv 30 in this game thats the cap on everything.

If you want a category made then you need to do a run of the category so we have a video to go off of before we decide if we want to add it to the leaderboard.

Personally a challenge style run like that doesn't need to be on the leaderboard as in general taking damage makes you lose time as you have a stun/stagger animation causing a couple of seconds of timeloss anyway so trying to go damageless is normal in a speedrun.

As there has been no one to run glitchless there has not been a need for the category.

There is also only really 1 required glitch in the run rest are if you wanna go much faster.

If you want to run glitchless then feel free but until we have a few runs it likely won't be added by the moderators.

Hi all,

Just letting you know that I have updated the leaderboards and merged all the difficulties that are not legend so the difficulties will read as the below:

Any Difficulty Legend

Legend will remain separate as it is different from the other difficulties.

I will also be reviewing the rules to make sure that they read correctly.

Regards, Rebel

Game modifications are banned for the speedrun

The pre-order bonus are only banned for new game runs and don't matter on NG+.

You would need to run it yourself or grab a few people to show interest in it as right now there are only really 2-3 major glitches you need to be doing in most runs. 2 happen early on, 1 kinda in the middle and 1 on the second to last boss.

This has come up a few times but in order for it to be added we need some extra interest and a few completed runs.

In my opinion there aren't really enough required glitches, and some of our tricks aren't really glitches they are more abuse system engines with console menus, so it's hard to specify in this game outside of the OOBs. DDD is an example of a a oddity that causes unintended outcomes, all we do here is we stop the game from downloading the audio files by switching languages then disconnecting the internet on it but this causes the game to act in strange ways which could either be considered a glitch due to the unintended outcomes or just an trick/sequence breaking tool which is less of a glitch meaning that it could be allowed since we aren't doing anything untoward with the game just switching the language which is a base feature of the console.

A lot of tricks in this game do come down to personal preference when running anyway which is why we haven't ever really thought about adding this type of category even though we have discussed it.

If you want to run we aren't going to say anything against it but personally seeing a finished run makes it easier for the community to make a decision and it also helps with knowing what people may or may not consider a glitch/major skip in this game.

RTA means Real Time Attack, basically it means a run from the start to the end without pausing the timer

No you would need to play this game off of the original disc to be allowed a run on the leaderboard, nothing is stopping you from learning/running on anything you happen to have.

Complete 100% of the district map screen (all collectibles, side quests/phone app quests, all main missions, etc).

Then minus the time stated in the rules from the final time for your actual time as we time this game without the unskippable cutscenes due to patches adding more in later patches.

And thats the problem with doing ILs in this game, the unskippable cutscenes that they added. We will look at this and if we decide to add it then we will have to do a time without unskippables and work out a consistent starting point for starting the timing. This is an issue since you get different enemy patterns and miles spawning locations in missions depending on if you do the mission as part of a full run or if you load in and/or select the mission. The timing thing is also something that would need to be decided more appropriately since my gold in my NG+ PB is better than that run of the final mission by over a 2 mins and I am on the patch that can't skip the additional cutscene with Phin at the reactor and Dutch's split time is even faster since he could skip it.

Have you completed any ILs with video proof? If so then we will consider adding it to the leaderboards.

When a 100% run has been done then we will add the category.

Feel free to complete one.

It's just a game state that skips all the dialogue.

The below is in the rules: "DDD (Digital Dialogue Disruption) is a Digital Only glitch where the game can't access the dialogue and proceeds to skip through the lines quickly, some lines are still present however."

Pess has also made a tutorial on how to set it up, which is also linked below: https://www.speedrun.com/sm2018/guide/o4zjb

All bases have been covered to explain what it is, no need to start more threads about it honestly.

Yeah that's a mechanic called a Vemon Dash.

The game tells you about it at some point.

There is no real difference in any category apart from ultimate so that is why we keep track of ultimate separately while the rest is bunched together.

I mean you're free to submit ultimate to any difficulty but the mod will just change it to the correct category.

As long as the video is watchable and in 1 piece, not cut into parts, it should be fine

NG means New Game so no previous file.

NG+ means New Game Plus creating a file that carries over everything.

There is not enough interest in glitchless.

The main glitch is Fisk's Tower, the first mission, and the only difference would be you watch the few cutscenes and run up the elevator shaft.

Optional glitches we have are School Clip and Martin Li 3 Skip. Oh and possibly Recycle Clip. None of them are required and are down to personal preference.

Oh and DDD isn't really a glitch we just stop the game from downloading data to achieve this.

If you want to run it then you will need to do a run/get others to run it with you to show interest in it. Once that has been done we may consider adding it but currently there isn't much point when it cuts one 1 glitch you do in the first 10 mins as all the others are mainly optional.

Pessilist has already done a few runs and has a route for it.