Category overhaul
2 years ago
Canada

I have been playing Gundam Crossfire since its release, I have beaten both stories on all difficulties multiple times, and overall have a ton of experience with the game. I'm waiting on my capture card to come in before I can start running the game. The issue is that I feel like the categories have some major problems.

First of all, Low % should be renamed to Any %. The reason games like Megaman and Metroid have Low % categories are because those runs are slower than Any %. Since there is no Any % category, there cannot be a Low %. Also, if there was an Any % category it would be the exact same as Low %, at least for EFF. Zeon Low % is borderline impossible because the Zaku II does not have access to beam rifle, which is arguably the best weapon in the game. At the same time, it wouldn't be a big deal since it does get access to the rocket launcher, but it lacks any kind of vulcan or other secondary to deal with aircrafts. The Zaku II is much weaker than the GM. It can only take 2 or 3 shots fully upgraded on easy mode from the end game EFF mobile suits to destroy it. It wouldnt be a big deal if you could purchase a better Zeon MS, but due to Low % restrictions, its impossible to purchase a better MS that might actually be able to clear Mining Base Defense because of the lack of available funds. Even if someone managed to successfully complete a "Low %" run on Zeon, it would still be the same as an Any % run. The point is, I don't have an issue with the run itself, I just think that the rules should be less restrictive and the category needs to be renamed.

Secondly, the story mission categories are redundant. You aren't required to clear any of the "Story missions" to progress the story, and even the so called "Optional Missions" are still tied to the story, so really, either all of the missions are story missions, or none of the missions other than the intro mission and the final mission are story missions. Also, there is still no definitive answer as to what is a story mission and what isn't a story mission in the rules. That makes it impossible to know what Zeon missions are required for a "Story mission" speedrun. I understand that there is the 14 missions in 14 days run for EFF, but i believe that should be in its own misc category. Its not really based off of what missions are required and more just based off of the shortest number of days required to beat EFF story.

I think it should just be Any % and All Missions as the main runs, separated by difficulty and New Game+, with any other potential runs being a misc category run. To be clear, I have no issues with the All Missions category. I don't mean this as a sleight to anyone, I understand the game really doesn't have any kind of legitimate following, and no one has ever expressed this kind of point before regarding the categories, but I do think these changes would clear up a lot of confusion regarding the speedruns.

Bewerkt door de auteur 2 years ago
Ontario, Canada

You are most likely correct in that term being any/low. The reason I called it low is because there is nothing stopping you at any point form doing a mission for money, making it more of an any%. At the time, I was "If start with just this and only this, this is the 'lowest' I can be how easily can I beat the game?" It took me a month of trying to beat E.F.F on normal. But you are right, it should be any%.

As for story missions, the rules are less clean and need to be more revamped. It ism ore lowest month/day. As with E.F.F (same for Zeon. I just don't know what missions do what yet) there is a line of missions that you can beat that progress to the final mission. I just opted to call it story, as you stated. I simply called it "story" lacking a better name.

Honestly, the whole thing is a mess that I have no idea how to proper organize. I simply did not find any one doing anything on this, and took it on my self to try and get the name of the game out there in hopes to find someone like you with as much passion as I do for the game.

As for doing all missions + simulation, that is only New game plus because there is a simulation mission you can not do until you've beaten the game once or twice. So I just hard restrict that Very hard, because you will have the secret suits. So running around with Gundan on normal just seems you know.... Lame.

Anyway, I have been working like 10 hour days the past while, so I will need time, but I do wanna roll those changes out. Thanks for the post!

Canada

Oh no worries I get that life gets in the way of things. I just wanted to bring up my opinions on it and Ill definitely be an active member going forwards. I appreciate you taking the time to actually consider my concerns and I will do what I can to assist in things like figuring out what kind of missions constitute story missions and such, although with Zeon it is pretty arbitrary since missions are based on the date rather than completion.

Ontario, Canada

Yeah, life has been kinda rough for me. But like I said. I just wanted to get the game out there. I have no interest in honestly moderating anything. I mean, look at how awful the page is! I have no idea what I am doing, so I super open to other people's thoughts and suggestions. I just want to push the buttons real good and that make the game go fast.

I even have some resources too I wish I could upload and share. I have every suit's states and upgrades, with costs. How I routed my stuff. But I can't upload it anywhere and if I can. I couldn't figure it out.

Ontario, Canada

So I was editing the game info stuff, and I am not sure how I feel about low% to any%. Honestly, feel like any% is more lowest game date. Because you can push that real low.

However, I am changing the rules to low% to be fewest missions, as any% run could do more missions to make the game slightly safer. But be slower, and then be more on pace to simply do earliest in game date.

Either way, renamed story missions to earliest date. Because while you may not need to clear them. Clearing them unlocks the next set which brings you closer to ending the game before Dec/25. (And actually gives my sub hour run on V.hard a means to beat it even if you take longer. Because dying and retrying does not progress days. Siiigh. Time to grind out a better run.)

But yes, this game needs more views then just mine. I can do whatever I want and until well now. No one cared to challenge it.

Canada

I appreciate it for considering some of the changes. Keeping it as Low % is fine with me. Im glad you did change it to allow more than just the intro and last missions. I definitely think the earliest date is good. I did a run of Zeon on easy and a NG+ run of normal and found that regardless of what missions you do it is impossible to unlock the final mission any sooner. It is linked to date unfortunately so the category may have to be scrapped for Zeon but im sure we can come up with an alternative category for Zeon.

I get that the game doesn't have a big following though but i definitely appreciate you being open to suggestion. I also started with a game series that has next to no following and I understand that having another person take interest in the game can have a very positive effect. I have a large amount of knowledge on the gamecube Zoids VS series and literally no one else besides me cares about the game. It can be tough but I plan on being a big part of this community so let me know if you need help with anything and we can bounce some ideas off of each other on how to improve the game further and maybe also bring some more exposure to the series

Ontario, Canada

So no, if there is no way to speed the date up, that still caps the amount of upgrade time you get as Zeon side. Making it a valuable challenge, as you have to route on your turn limit. Wanting to use a second suit for the mission before the last, so you can just dive into the final mission. Meaning you would be wasting time upgrading a second suit or banking on not getting hurt so you can just rush to the last mission at whatever HP you have. I still think lowest date for Zeon still works. Just functions differently. Though it might effect all missions run. Hm.

But we could try to find other categories regardless if you you'd prefer!

I am always open to routing and ideas for missions. I plan on watching you as often as I can to gleam what you do and try to see if it is faster or not. The new ruling for my run means I can and will need to improve my time. Not because sub 2 can be beaten easier. But because my date can be beaten.

Though, I might add deathless to the rules to the lowest date. Because a 5 hour run that just sits on a mission over and over again dying and restarting but is a day faster; just seems stupid. Or maybe a death limit, to allow for mistakes to happen but not be abusable.

Canada

If possible can you at a EFF and Zeon NG+ all missions category. I was doing some routing for the EFF NG+ all missions run and I think I came up with a good route for the run and I wanted to run it this weekend at some point. Very hard only of course

Bewerkt door de auteur 2 years ago
Ontario, Canada

There is already an all missions, and there should be an all missions+simulations for NG+ I feel like not having simulations being done as well on NG+ is pointless. Given that you are running around with the secret suits. Might as well also do those missions, which would mean skipping turns to unlock the final sim mission. But it would also mean, that you are able to take every mission on at full HP. (And if there is not. There should be!)

Canada

Oh my bad i thought the full game completion category was starting on easy mode and ending after beating very hard mode

Ontario, Canada

Ah. I mean, there are a lot of difficulties so it is easy to miss something. I had to double check to be sure myself! Ahaha.

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