No I know this, I just am wondering what the length of time is from when you press start to when you gain control. I don't think this varies from start to start, the best I have seen seems to be -8.75. I was just wondering if someone had a confirmed amount of time to use for an offset.

So I have watched several videos in learning this game, I noticed timers starting at -8.8, -8.75, -8.6, and then the guide says -9.6

So I think my question somewhat asks itself: just what happened to Jimmy Hoffa?

Also, what should I use for a time offset?

Thank you.

Yeah, there is indeed a great deal of RNG involved with it, its really about practicing it till you can do it regularly and often enough, followed by getting lucky with it in a run. No amount of practice will hurt you though, just find a setup that works well for you, and ill cross my fingers for you! =P

You say that, and it makes we want to grind down my time to sub 30. haha. But very cool on the new computer for you, and the new tutorial for everyone else =P

A shorter guide is actually not a bad Idea. Despite the current guide being solid, it was more designed (if I remember correctly) for the BIG20, and showed a lot of safety starts, as well as glitchless strats as well. A non-marathon safe guide would be a pretty good idea, especially just showing the first wrap/glitch. If you made it short and sweet, it would probably get more people willing to try it.

Cool. Look forward to seeing them! Also, there are some good guides on how to do the moon skip if you ever feel like learning the current any% route!

Yeah, Essentially what Crescendo said is what I was getting at regarding a "no moon skip" category like you mentioned. The 100%/All Treasure cat would be interesting I think, although I don't think I would actually consider running it. That's the problem with a lot of niche categories unless people are already running it, there isn't much of a need to make a leaderboard.

The best way to go about that would be to: come up with an idea for a category by routing it, running it, getting others into it. After that, there would be no argument for making a leaderboard, there would be a need for it. =P

I suppose this would be interesting, but I think 100%, or an "All major treasures" (da big ones) category would be more fun. Defining what a skip is in this game is somewhat vague as well. The moon "skip" definitely is a glitch, in that you are damage boosting through an object you should not normally be able to access, however what about the launchpad "skip"? It is essentially just a well-timed jump and rope grab, and in the pal version, you can even make it without manipulation. So would this basically be just a "no moon glitch" category? Otherwise, the run would be essentially the same.

It would almost seem strange for such a short game to have 2 very short categories.

Although for a lot of these short games "1 Loop glitchless", or "No OOB", or something like that seems to be a fairly normal category. I am sure it would be doable by the mods if they allow it. At that point though, you and your PB are really just battling against RNG.

So I guess I am not opposed to it, I just don't see myself submitting to it.

Really? That doesn't 100% surprise me, but it does still a little bit. Are you monetizing your videos before they are doing this? I don't do this for my videos, especially just gameplay/speedrun videos, mostly because the laws around them as "fair use" seems somewhat vague.

The reason I am asking is that maybe they will only do this on videos you are yourself monetizing. If you just turn that off I wonder if they will give a sweet goddamn about it.

Always take care of the "Real Life" first! I think with all the resources you already added, this is one of the better-documented games, and definitely is very friendly to new runners as is.

Exactly, there are some spots in (almost) every run where this would be obvious. So there will certainly be a way to detect something like this. Will most runs get this level of scrutiny? Unlikely, but it's nice to know its possible. And people knowing this will be less likely to attempt it.

I think if someone were to overclock their NES in order to cheat, they may get away with it for a while but someone would eventually notice, compare it with another video/audio source and be able to tell if it was.

There is no way to really detect this, short of inspecting and checking everyone's NES prior to running and that would be just absurd. I do have faith however that someone would catch on to someone cheating in this manner at some point. There are physical limitations to the default spec'd hardware and if someone spots something that goes beyond, they will be caught.

Someone might say, there is no way a human could detect a variance as short as a frame but most speedrunners do that every run when performing frame-perfect tricks. They would eventually be caught guaranteed, especially when under the scrutiny of a leaderboard of their peers.

Just my 2 pennies.

I actually looked for a TAS about an hour or so ago when I first decided to give this a go again. Awesome that you were already on top of it. haha.

If anything though, the runs without videos should at least be edited to say

"No video, done live and witnessed by Twin Galaxies referee"

Just so people know its really legit.

I've definitely seen at least the videos that beat my time haha. If anything maybe this will encourage people to go to new and better times. I am certain that this run can be done in under a minute, I guess that is just something I will have to push for in the coming weeks. haha.

I know I accidentally removed my run before reuploading it a while back when I had made a separate youtube channel for my gaming/etc. I know I can beat my old time, so rather than dig it up off my old computer, I may as well just use that as an excuse to get a better time. That just seems more fun for me. If I cant do so though, I'll gladly try to get that run back online. Either way, shouldn't be more than a week.

But I do agree, runs without videos really don't hold much merit for dispute. I think we should try to "purify" the leaderboard, maybe give a month or so to get videos of the runs online? If not maybe consider removing them.

Okay good to know where to start the frame count. The software I use is VidCutter for Linux, it works REALLY great for frame counting, ironically not perfectly for cutting videos (go figure).

Having that be a clearly defined start and finish works for me. I think that seems like a perfect place to start the count and end. I couldn't figure out if it was the last title screen frame, the first black, or the first frame of the gameplay.

I am not sure an ideal way to count frames on a youtube video, but I could take a look at their embed player and see if I could make something in JavaScript that can be used to set start and stop endpoints. Might not be good for long games, but for short games like this, I think it would work pretty well. Otherwise I think it would require a download of the video and local software.

What did you use to insert the frame count btw? That is handy for sure.

So I have never run a game where it came down to MS, so this is something I am fairly new to. I did get a video trimmer that lets me start and stop a clip down to the frame which gives a precise count. Easy right? Well... Only when you are EXACTLY sure what frame to start with.

Using the current WR and its trimmed frame counted version, I see that the count is started on the first frame that cuts to the street view. I just want to double check that this is where I should start the clip, the end clip is self-explanatory as per the rules (as soon as the enemy fighter is not visible)

Just wanted to know this for future reference if I keep grinding this. I also think it would be good if there was an exact point of ruling since this is SUCH a short "game".

Cheers!

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