California, USA^ Most of that was entirely uncalled for. Just because something was set 10 years ago also doesn't automatically make it okay. No one is saying that deathless and deathwarps (up + a) should be the same category.
The argument here was up + a vs deathwarping and why myself and some others though up + a isnt really a proper category since it uses a code and a second controller to do properly. In which case we're actually arguing a slower overall category by taking the code away.
Throwing petty insults around to try and get a point across does not help your argument at all either. Try to have some class next time you have an opinion on something to actually be taken seriously.
I'm game for modship as I know how both categories work. Deathwarps (up + a) should not be with deathless as it is now.
Definitely strong points and I can't disagree with them. I'm sure all speedrunners have a second controller thats no issue at all it's just the necessity of using a second controller and a built in code has always felt off to me, in this and in Zelda. They have been around for a very long time so I won't argue against their removal but I think deathwarps is more pure in a speedrunner and gaming sense than up + a (IMO of course). Thanks for the well said reply.
Just to be clear, this is not an advocate for immediate change or anything like that, this is simply to discuss the differences and their merits. I am not calling anyone out or anything of that nature whatsoever.
Hello Metroid runners, I would like to discuss the merit of deathwarps being or not being allowed in a run.
This is a bit of a mix between is Up + A a real category or something of a sub category because its a developer code. Just stating my opinion on this here and am curious what everyone else has to think.
I can't think of a reason to disallow deathwarps on any grounds. It both makes the game faster and is completely doable on one controller and no code or anything else that needs to happen. Deathless is more of a challenge run then a full speedrun in this case since it is not taking advantage of a prime time save, minutes worth of time saves. To me that is an arbitrary rule to make a category longer for no real reason. I know there are some strong feelings against deathwarping and I am curious as to why? From Mega Man to Super C to even Gradius now there are deaths that save seconds to minutes if done correctly and this is, ideally, the fastest way to play said categories.
I know this is a line between Up + A, deathwarps and deathless so the line to draw is a hard one. I am curious to see everyone's opinions on this and as to why the rules are the way they are.
The best I could do for this is put it as a sub category. I think this ventures a little too far from a typical speedrun, especially when loops are involved. This feels more so like a twin galaxies category and I would need to gain some interest from other people to have it really become a legit category. Appreciate the effort, sounds like a fun run but atm the best I can say is spread the word to get more to play this category.
I really do hope Tian is still running this, it has been a great race and neither of us would have pushed it any further had we not been battling it out. a game that was considered near dead at 7;59 is all the way to 7:44 is incredible. Part of what I love about competition in speedrunning.
Nothing of what I set pertained to this specific instance. Of course it should be discussed here talking about the Jackal rules on this specific board that wasnt what I was referring to. What I was referring to was the general discussion of speedrunning video submission amongst all of nes speedrunning (or just speedrunning in general? specifically our community)
I don't check these forums much so I didn't see his question. No it would not DQ tian as I've explained prior both in my stream (which is an example of a place you don't bring this up) on here and on twitter. Jokes aside Tian has never been considered a cheater and I have looked to contact him prior but could not reach him, I couldn't find a source.
Again this is something that is still being blown out of ridiculous proportion and both sides have made their point. It is a very good subject to discuss that I look forward to discussing at a further date but that does not belong here, just the Jackal discussion belongs here. Again as I stated previously I am not apposed to either side of this rule of confirmation. There has been some rejected videos recently and some submissions should be taken a closer look at.
I do enjoy all the feedback from this and do look forward to further discussion with less heat involved. This should be a civil discussion about the future of video submissions and verifications and not so much angry banter towards each other. I love this community and I wouldn't want to segregate or separate it in any way shape or form. The more runners that join the better, period.
Nothing wrong with having the discussion, in fact that is definitely something that could and should be discussed somewhere. The big deal here was making it a public shit storm when it didn't need to be made one. This could have easily been solved in the BoNES chat or something. I agree with you on some points there BB but it still stands that there should be some consensus to all this and not just this specific situation.
I'm not going to add much to this since this is being blown so out of proportion its ridiculous but I will add this: If this is a huge deal for this you should call out every single leaderboard that follows the same rule set. I am for offline submissions or for proven stream I don't really care either way as long as its found legit.
Fro is my favorite DSIH speedrunner of all time. Also, I spliced my run, I'm so sorry..
Since twitch decided that vod links should be changed 15 vids were the wrong link (including DK's run). I went ahead and fixed the 13 I could (abestosbear had their channel closed and remzlab has no highlights).
Hey again. There are 7 Star Fox mods but a run hasn't been excepted in over a week. Waited patiently but with that many mods it shouldn't take long at all! I'd like to request modship. Thanks. http://www.speedrun.com/sf#Any_Secret_Ending
Requesting mod status for Bionic Commando, the Mod on that board has not logged on in 4 months. http://www.speedrun.com/bc88
I think 3 categories with each difficult is fine: any%, zipless and best ending. also thanks! board updated.
