Also, if we consider Zam run as TAS, then every run that uses basic macro to reset on eden before run is considered TAS. Which I find kinda silly. Also to the missinghud

1. It acts like cheat engine,
2. It gives you information that you shouldn't have at all. While item tracker gives you informations that are accessible to player via text file. I see huge distinction here. I honestly see nothing wrong with removing tedious nature of eden resetting while it's not impactful on the time of the run(so if it's runned first).

I counted 6 runners being against. So nice point supporting exaggeration. Also people who doesn't run game at all, shouldn't have any impact on ruleset.

Using it for 11-13 doesn't matter if you play eden as your first character, because it doesn't affect actual time of a run. Also I don't think anyone would reset for 5h mid 11 char run, or before it, it's not worth because run is likely to die anyway on later characters :D

If I would guess why mod deleted thread, I would guess it's that because there is no need for more than 1 thread on the same topic >_> EDIT: threads have been locked, not deleted, they just go to the bottom :P

Beld, I see no difference between Brain skipping cutscenes and Zam, besides the different fade out animation, if that's what you mean, it's just config setting https://steamcommunity.com/app/250900/discussions/0/613941122558099449/ Also I believe Zam because he is long time member of community, and I believe he doesn't care as much for this wr to lie about stuff he used during run.

Oh I thought that by lack of cinematics Beld_X meant different fade in animation between floors. It indeed looks like zam had modified cutscenes.xml during run.

Those are just graphic options in config.ini file.

I honestly think that using this tool is fine as long as you are not doing it mid run. I mean, if you do 11char run and you start with eden as your first character, using tool is fine because it doesn't affect time of run, hence you don't time reset on first character. But if you run eden as for example 3rd character, tool effectively speed up your run because you reset faster. I think that's the only argument against it besides "It's not vanilla".

Then in splits of characters in middle of a run you need to jump into chest, or can you just exit to menu? because in current circumstances you could exit to menu instead.

I think that timer should end on chest drop, not on entering-the-chest animation, it adds additional x seconds to your run if you happen to have megablast, and you can't enter chest before it runs out.

tbf I have nothing against this reset thing he used, but since it's just seeded run, it doesn't really matter that he used it lol

Well, I think approaching new community with post called "This community is terrible" isn't the best idea. But what do I know, I am just filthy runner ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Then I would argue that you over exaggerate influence of coop baby dps on the whole run. WR in current state requires so much grinding and luck that half of damage that coop baby deal (yes, it's half, not full damage) doesn't influence a runs in such a manner that "it can beat almost any time". Also coop baby desync makes it much harder to dodge.

1)Should the broken remote be removed? Yes

2)Should cursed eye be removed? No, reasoning being, that you need to be good with it, a lot of players will not even take it because they can autolose with it.

3)Should telepills be removed? I don't care,

4)Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No, I don't think it's good to do it in this ruleset, but I think making a seperate ruleset with this change might be fun.

Pibo, I am not implying that it's the same thing, I am comparing it in sense what would be the case for disallowing one, but not another. And reasoning is not "it helps with gameplay" because tracker is probably more useful.

EDIT: sorry sillypears, I posted it before I saw your post.

Pibo, that's not true, the difference is that item tracker reads text file and doesn't interact with game at all, so you could technically achieve the same thing just by observing a file, while missing hud reads memory like cheat engine and modify game by showing it on game display. There is more of a case to not allow it than item tracker, and it's not hipocritical at all to allow one and disallow other. But I don't think it should be banned lol

Chris, problem is, that coop babies are allowed since rebirth in speedruns, they are not allowed only in racing. Also coop babies are just in game mechanic therafore there is no reason to disallow them in speedruns.

I personally don't have anything against read only, but if you are gonna ban this, next step is to ban donation machine replacing mid run since it achieves the same thing as read only, also ban quitting a game mid run, and so on and so forth. My problem is that if we start introducing that kind of rules, we will and up banning a lot of stuff eg missing hud (since it's dll injector, and it modifies game). Also savefile that we all use is technically modified savefile, it's not legit, it's hacked by sillypears :P

My vote is: keep it simple, if you think it's bad and shady, then don't use it, but I think it shouldn't be banned.

Final thoughts: get fucked barry, suck my ass, love, Krak