Tennessee, USAHi all, I just wanted to go over how this game tracks endings (and also why I think additional endings should be considered for the leaderboard).
According to GameFAQs, endings aren't based entirely on deaths, etc. The game has a hidden score. If you take damage from weak or strong enemies, you get hit by bosses or Penguin, or you die, it will affect your score. Here is how the game tracks points according to the guide:
"In this game, you'll find that your health - specifically how often you're hit and how many times you die - determine the ending. Taking hits and dying adds points to a counter:
- a hit from basic enemies: +8
- a hit from middle grade enemies: +12, +16, +18 or +24
- a hit from bosses (Penguin excluded): +48
- a hit from Penguin (both boss fights): +80
- dying: +1,024 (overwhelmingly the greater influence).
Basically, outside of dying, the points added to the counter are proportional to damage received. When you finish the final stage, depending on the values of this counter, you will get a different ending. The estimates in regards to number of deaths are merely estimates, as taking a certain number of hits is still equivalent to a loss of life."
And as for endings:
Hidden score is less than 5,376 = Best Ending (Awesome! You are the hero of all heroes!)
Hidden score is between 5,376 and 9,984 = Good Ending (Congratulations, Batman! You've saved Gotham City.)
Hidden score is between 9.984 and 14,848 = Bad Ending (Your skill has improved, but you're not a real hero yet.)
Hidden score is more than 14,848 = Worst Ending (You took too much time to get here. Try getting here sooner.)
With all of this said, it is possible to get the Good Ending despite dying. In fact, I did it while prepping this game for NES Odyssey 2024. I'm going to link a video of my stream archive; it shows me dying in Stage 5, then I keep playing, and eventually I still get the Good Ending. I played on regular cartridge + top loader NES.
As for why I'm bring this up at all, I want to offer my two cents regarding how this board is set up. The rules state you have to get the Good Ending, but it also says you can't die. However, turns out dying at least once is still okay (depends on that hidden score). Obviously, dying at all is slow and this game is still fairly punishing. The thing is, I think this game would attract more runners and attention if we allowed for any ending to be submitted. You could even mark your ending as "best, good, bad, worst" on your submission, as some boards allow you to do so. For example, Batman: The Video Game allows you to click "yes" or "no" if you did the Joker Glitch.
Let me know what you all think about this; I know it's a lot but this game is such a hidden gem and it'd be a shame if people avoided this game just because they died (which as I've shown, can still lead to a Good Ending). Thanks!
Hi all, I just added a bit of clarification on where to start/stop the timer. The prior mod didn't create any timing rules and I'm only just now realizing this, lol. Everyone has been starting from Run/Hop and ending when the screen is completely black after entering the door in the last stage, and I just clarified that in the rules. This won't change anything but I figured I'd clarify just in case.
UPDATE 11/7/2023: We have made subcategories for the US and PAL versions and runs have been moved to the appropriate categories. We are still working on making categories for the JPN version since that version is a bit different. Thanks for your patience.
I'll go with the majority on this, but I agree with what Chardcore is saying. If there are enough differences that affect the overall timing compared to the standalone carts then I'd say the compilation cart should be it's own board. That's just my two cents; I'm fine with however this goes. But if I had to decide, the compilation cart should be separate if possible.
Everything should be updated now. You can now choose the word category when submitting runs. I updated everyone's category, so no need to go back and resubmit or anything.
Hey there, I'll update the page later tonight. All of these sound good to me
Apparently sr.c didn't give me a notification about this, and I never saw this until now. Whoops.
If you're still interested, I can create categories for the Japanese version of this game. Just let me know. Sorry about the delay on this; I blame this website lol
I'm not too sure about an "All Collectibles" category for instance; my main issue is there's no way to know how many you've collected until you beat the stage + idk where all of the collectibles are in the levels anyway. That said, if people route it and want it on the leaderboard; I'll add it. Edit: plus the autoscrollers in World 3 have multiple paths, meaning some pans are out of reach. Plus if you miss one that's an easy run over.
Also, something like "No Major Skips" might help with the whole exploration thing. A few levels have big skips that we would disallow if this category happens (mainly 1-2 and 5-1).
Let me know what you think of either of the above.
^ just ran 100K points and can confirm this game caps out at level 9
A new rule has been added to this game. Passwords are allowed if you game over. You may return to the level you game over'd on. You cannot use a password to skip ahead. Since using passwords doesn't give you an advantage, they are allowed. This is also to encourage more runners to try this game/other categories out.
I plan to put up a time in this game soon and I'm personally okay with PC and NES runs being split.
I'm fine with both a category split and new categories like 5 or 10 words. I don't have much to add but I'm pretty ok with adding new stuff.
it fascinates me that jaypin would run the first level of over a thousand games so he would have the highest speedgame count only to get caught stealing runs from other people. it's not like running 1 IL per game is hard, so was he trying to be as lazy as possible by also stealing runs to make himself look good? come on, man lmao
Hi all, I have removed the IL boards for 5-1 and 5-5. Both of these are timer based, so as long as you survive and don't pause, you'll get the same time every time. I removed these levels from the ILs since they're quite trivial.
Also, I accidentally removed 2-5 at first, but it's been re-added. If you had a run in 2-5 and I accidentally cleared it, let me know.
One day I'll figure out how to remove 100% from a few levels, as not all levels have coins. If you run an IL that has no coins, just submit to Any%.
Ok that's all, thanks.
Hi there. I am requesting moderator for Outtrigger. The moderator verified my current run but then it seems they deleted their account and all of their runs (seems like they haven't speedrun anything in a few years).
I have the WR for the category of the game I run and plan to do other categories soon. I am willing to take over as moderator.
https://www.speedrun.com/outtrigger
Thanks.
Hi there, I am requesting mod for Driar. The moderator for this game has been inactive on sr.c for months and his Twitter implies that he's on a hiatus. I've had a run awaiting verification for 2+ months now.
https://www.speedrun.com/driar
Thanks.
Hi. I am requesting to be moderator for Flintstones: King Rock Treasure Island. The sole moderator, RantronBomb, has been inactive on sr.c for several months. I ended up becoming mod for another game he was the sole mod for (Gun-Nac) and he is still inactive since I became mod for that game.
The leaderboard in question: https://www.speedrun.com/the_flintstones_king_rock_treasure_island
Thanks.
Hi there, I moderate the Flipull leaderboard. It says Flipull (NES), but I have since added the GB version to the board as well (it's not too different from NES version).
Can a mod change the name of the game to just "Flipull"? thanks.
Category has been added. It looks a bit weird because it still says Normal/Advanced, but just submit to Normal.
If I get better at managing leaderboards and making them look nice then I'll adjust that later. But for now, you can submit the GB version if you have a run of that version :)
