Virginia, USA
SupporterHey everyone,
I wanted to bring a thought to the community on runs that are performed on PS2 but use some sort of foot pedal system to emulate an Arcade run.
IMO, these should be counted under Arcade runs for the sake of fairness, as the buttons on the gun are inevitably faster than using a foot pedal. However, we may need to solidify more rules surrounding distance from the tv, etc. to properly emulate the arcade machines. Further still, the games differ graphically from Arcade to console, do they run the same speed, etc?
Or do we just create another type of run in general?
The main run in question is z0d420's as he used a foot pedal. I am hoping to have some sort of foot pedal set-up in the future so I think we should start the discussion now in case more runs roll in.
As the community grows, hopefully, we can agree on something!
I have also found that you are playing on a controller and touch up or down at all, it will cancel the dash. Just a thought!
As frames would be most accurate, I think it would be ideal for emulated runs. Then we could rely on timers otherwise
That's my 2 cents as least!
Isn't it possible to time based on the number of frames? I think that would be the best way.
Hey guys,
I've started doing runs for this and will hopefully post a run when I can record again. In the meantime, here's a discord for the game where we can toss around some ideas. I hope more than 1 - 2 runs will be posted soon.
See you out there!
It shouldn't expire, but here's another.
Can I talk my shit again?
Someone brought this up on the TC3 forum, so I just made another
I used my learning skills and made a new one!
I don't think we do. I'm not sure what happened to the old one.
I can make one but I'm a noob and have never made a group before :)
I haven't played it, nor am I a mod, but I believe it's 4 player and has new enemies and weapons so I would argue that it's not so much a graphically upgrade, but a somewhat different game.
Not sure if you'd post times for it here or on it's own page. I would assume it's own page though.
geurge, I've added the category so feel free to submit the photos!
Actually, since a photo was accepted for the other only Arcade run, I think we can roll with that. Is there anyway to verify the difficulty on the machine?
Nice, very cool! I'm jealous. I'd like to see if the other mods could weight in on a photo. Since they were mods before me, the rules generally state video evidence is required. Are you able to verify that the machine is on Very Hard during your run?
There are not at the moment. Could easily be added though as I'm assuming most everyone would play on the same TV and not in LAN which would make recording and posting much more straightforward.
Let me know if you have any specific categories with 2 player that you'd like to see!
Well, I can't say I haven't been expecting this at some point or another, mainly because I was unable to record myself performing these runs and they were not streamed live. It's flattering that the runs are good enough for someone to believe they are faked.
Although I can't speak much to the technical points made here, I can give some information in my own defense.
I do use component cables with an Elgato HD unit to record. I toggle multiple setting in the Elgato program, such as sound levels and brightness and saturation to add depth of color and a better overall picture(Personally, I am a stickler for high quality and enjoy to see older games portrayed in the best possible light on their natural hardware).
I have experienced buzzing with my Xbox to a terrible degree to where I had to purchase a ground loop isolator to fix the problem. I have never noticed any buzz while recording on my PS2.
While I believed the flashing on the screen per shot could only be accomplished in real play(as this is how light guns work), I have found after some research that it is possible to replicated through PCSX2.
If I were the actual world record holder, of course my accuracy would be higher. I've owned this game(along with TC1 and TC3) since the time of release so I already knew the game well before I started running it seriously. You can also watch my progression from a low 13 minute run to the low 12 minute run. I choose different paths along the way and have learned which enemies to kill first in order to force the next set to spawn.
There are still better players than me. If Smraedis(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClgHVG66YhwMA39DWj5_EBw) ran these games for time instead of score, I'm sure his times would rival mine. I tried for almost a year to break his 2 million record on this game and came close with a 1.7 million. This was also the basis for learning the game for time.
At any rate, I feel as though there are better and more in-depth methods of proving that these runs are real/fake. I am not capable of these methods. The only thing I can tell you is that I sat fairly close to my television to achieve them. In the meantime, I will work on record myself getting a solid time in an attempt to prove my abilities.
That's my piece. Thanks for reading.
I think rolling with option 1 would work. Going to a whole separate website for the same game seems kind of ridiculous. A name is only a name. My favorite thing about speedrun.com is how comprehensive it is so adding another layer seems like a bonus to me.
If the community decides to do option 3, I'd be willing to donate to get the domain name.
Thanks for considering this and furthering the world of serious game players!
For some reason, the Discord doesn't exist anymore. I asked Leon on twitter, but no response. I guess I could make a new one, I've just never done it before because I'm a noob.
For now, you can discord me ( matthewreality#6287 ) or ask any questions here. Happy to help out with what I know/theories have on the game.
Excited to see someone start to run the game, welcome to it!
You probably are allowed to do that. You can also just use LiveSplit and post the splits with your recorded video.
If you have even an okay computer, you could purchase this: https://www.amazon.com/DATA-connection-video-capture-GV-USB2/dp/B00428BF1Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1518817145&sr=8-1&keywords=gvusb2
Solid video quality and easy to use.
Would also be cool if there was a Level Leaderboard like the TC3 page.
