Hi, yeah, about two years ago the Tigger's Honey Hunt discord got turned into one to encompass all Winnie the Pooh games. I dunno why the link was expired, but the new one on the speedrun.com page here should be updated with one that doesn't expire.

While this doesn't have the full run, given it isn't a top 4 time I'm willing to verify it and trust you beat it in the time you did.

For future runs though please make sure your whole video is available (if hardware is an issue you can try reducing the quality of encoding so it isn't so clunky)

Hello, I would like to request the removal of FLUB (a Super Moderator) from the Steven Universe: Save the Light leaderboards - https://www.speedrun.com/sustl and for myself to be made a Super Moderator in his place. FLUB has not been active in two years and we have not been able to contact them.

Since I already moderate and run a discord for Save the Light, I decided to incorporate the two games together.

https://discord.com/invite/NkeyvqJ

The discord will house all the Steven Universe games and their discussion.

Yup, so long as you put it on Steven before doing the file dupe, and don't remove it, you can play through the whole game with it.

As a result of the discussion we had due to the file duping glitch being discovered (thanks, rubbertoe!) the following changes have been made to the leaderboards:

• Any% (File Dupe) is a new main category. This allows any and all glitches and skips including File Dupe. (I suppose in a way, it's like the "true" Any% in the sense of "hitting the new file button and beating it as fast as possible")

-All Character% categories have been merged into Connieless. The rules for it have been streamlined: remove Connie from your party at Waterfall Way, and you only use her when forced to during her segment in the Pyramid with Peridot. (technically speaking the runs myself and polarbear have in there are invalid, but since our fastest run of those can be beaten easily I didn't think we needed to delete the runs entirely)

• From My Point of View The Jedi Are Evil has been given a more appropriate and Steven Universe related name: Kill The Light.

• Categories now specify whether or not the File Dupe glitch is allowed. The other four main categories ban it, as does Connieless (justification: as it is a user-imposed restriction, we felt it made sense to not let everyone be maxed from the start). CBF% and Map Completion will allow the file dupe glitch. File Duping is irrelevant for Kill The Light and Hessonite Rush since they start from a previous save file.

-Glitchless now specifies that the beginning Cutscene Skip glitch is not allowed. (As a note: as of now we're still testing this and due to how the backpack appears and disappears in various areas, we only know it to be viable in the two Any% categories.)

The reasons for a few of these changes are as follows: Renaming the category to Kill The Light just cause we found a shorter and better name for it lol. For File Duping it came down to a factor of removing a core element of the runs (managing items, xp routing etc. - the vital components of an RPG game) and thus removing challenges of the run, combined with splitting categories between PC/Console and Dupe/No Dupe means every category would have four separate leaderboards under it, and we felt that would end up creating a cluttered leaderboard for the game. Allowing it for CBF% and Map Completion is due to them being Misc. categories so we didn't feel as strongly about banning its usage in them.

Naturally in the future the legitimacy of File Duping can be discussed again, but as of now this is the conclusion we've reached in regards to how to utilize the glitch, in addition to other changes in the boards.

It's also been discovered that you can do a Cutscene Skip doing the aforementioned dupe, which also allows you to move around Steven's House while the menu is open. Using this allows you to leave the house and press "A" to start a new file, and that file will be able to skip the cutscene if you're next to the door to Beach City. We're still testing the backpack because it disappears in some areas and reappears for use in others. (I can confirm we can do an Any% run and get up to upgrading weapons at the forge with this).

But anyway - we discussed the file dupe and a few other things and this is a conclusion myself, polar, and tralalapis reached:

• New main category called NG+ (or Any% File Dupe - we agree we want a new main category regardless of name). This category allows for a file dupe trick and all other glitches to be performed.
• Merge all the Character% categories into a single "Connieless" category for sake of condensing misc. categories. (Maintaining the rule that we ban connie's study exploit and using team attacks with her)
• Rename FMPOVTJAE to Kill The Light
• Ban File Dupe for All Bosses, 101%, Glitchless (obviously), and Connieless. Meaning CBF%, Map Completion, and the new category are the ones that allow it. Irrelevant for HR and KTL since they start on a max file.
• Allow cutscene skip in runs. (Though for practicality reasons we don't know if it's worth the time save in anything but Any%)

The rules for each individual category will also then include if file dupe is allowed or banned.

I'd like to give this till say Sunday night or Monday evening for anyone else to chime in, otherwise these are the changes we'll be making to the leaderboards.

Update: Polarbear's confirmed it works on PS4. I imagine it probably works on Xboxone too.

Also I went through an Any% run doing this from copying my original casual playthrough file, in which I have everyone maxed to level 30. It does indeed work. It actually makes Beach City faster too, the tutorial skips some sections due to Connie killing the first construct instantly, characters don't gain XP so you're not halted because of learning Bubble/Defend, and after the fight in front of Peedee you don't get the level up tutorial that usually pops up. Also since everyone's max level I feel it's probably quicker in a potential NG+ route to blast through Beach City and Familiar Grounds since Connie will be maxed out and can simply Sword Storm. I also swapped Amethyst for Greg since him being maxed means he has Star Jam + can be leveled in leadership.

I have no reason to think this would affect All Bosses, if we decide on allowing it there or in a NG+ category. No clue if it affects 101% (more specifically, I don't know if Steven being able to have two badges affects percentages)

So rubbertoe64 discovered a file duplication glitch (video can be seen in the discord's general channel) which allows you to start a new file while retaining stats from the original file. Steven will be leveled as per the original file and be holding any badges, while every other character will have all their points but they won't be assigned. It appears that items and weapon upgrades do not carry over, nor do other characters' badges.

It's easy to perform - press A and pause at the same time on the file you want to take stats from. Press start to unpause, and wait for the characters to get to the pad. Press B to exit and move off the pad. Press pause, press A on resume and you'll see the main menu. You can then go select an empty file and when you enter it, the glitch will carry over the stats onto the new file.

So basically - you can start a new file and have everyone at their max level, plus Steven can hold any two badges of your choosing. Rubber confirms it works on Switch, I know it works on PC, and polarbear will be able to confirm if it works on PS4 or not.

Now the question becomes, how do we implement this glitch into the leaderboards? I think it should go without saying that Glitchless runs shouldn't allow this. As for the other categories?

In my opinion I'd be in favor of making another main category called Any% NG+ that allows for this glitch, while the current Any% category would add in a rule that it's banned. I don't know how I feel about the other categories though. For our character% categories the point of them was to make a sort of All Bosses challenge category in order to prioritize other characters and eliminate Connie's Study exploit so I'd kind of want it banned in those. Hessonite Rush and Jedi/Kill The Light we already are maxed out so it's irrelevant. CBF% I suppose I'm not against it. Same with Map Completion.

So that leaves 101% and All Bosses. I don't believe Steven having the badges affects it, though, I'd be curious to see if giving him the badge Bolton gives you and removing it will make the game think you already obtained it, thus eliminating Boltron RNG from the run. If this affects percentages it'd be kinda interesting to see if giving him any other badge from the start could make the route faster but that remains to be seen.

As for All Bosses, I dunno. I'm not 100% opposed to it, but I also feel like simply allowing the glitch would remove some of the RNG and fun from the run (e.g. no need for Stevonnie on Dave, Connie could probably kill him with like 1 study and Garnet's defense debuff and sword storm). Like it would just kinda, streamline it I guess? But I also feel like All Bosses NG+ might kinda clutter the boards up a bit. I mean we could also add another sub-category to each category and separate runs as NG+ and Regular, so there'd be leaderboards for categories with this glitch and categories without. I just feel like having both console/PC and NG+/Regular to make a bunch of sub-categories seems kinda cluttery, especially since we don't have a ton of people running the game.

But anyway - this is a community discussion, and all input would be appreciated (esp other mods).

So I think if I had to say what I'd most want, I think I'd like to see an Any% NG+ category added. And maybe just ban the glitch from everything else. If we want to allow it outside of Any% I'd want to then discuss separating runs as some sort of NG+/New File separation.

We're adding another trick to be banned in Glitchless. In The Descent it's possible you may switch to another character and they'll be out of bounds, and as such can jump right down onto the bottom floor. Since this one involves going out of bounds to save time we're banning it from Glitchless.

Figured we could use this thread to also talk about addendum to rules due to new discoveries.

So I found this Out of Bounds trick in Mount Manikchak awhile back and timed it. Seemed a teensy bit faster, but I didn't know if it would skip the Squaridot ship cutscene too. Turns out it does. Looking at the gold split differences, going through Mount Manikchak like this saves about 10-12 seconds depending on how well you can perform it.

Given that this out of bounds and all, I figure it makes sense to ban this from use in Glitchless.

Related, I updated the rules on Glitchless a little to specify that the things we list as banned are things we'd expect to be used in All Bosses (which is very similar route-wise up to after Light Warrior) but that other things are banned too, like entering Volcanic Venture without a key. It wouldn't make much sense to do that in Glitchless anyway since you would be losing time, but I thought it was worth mentioning as small disclaimer.

We have a new official Discord for the community. Here's the link to it.

https://discord.gg/NkeyvqJ

Glad you approve! I know you haven't gotten to stream/do runs in awhile but we know you've put a lot of work and helped lay the foundation for routes and such that we've worked on. It's pretty great to see all these things getting found and I'm looking forward to you coming back, whenever it might be.

I'm gonna be posting my run of Jedi later. It can also be renamed, it was just an on-the-fly name I thought of since the idea is to do the opposite of what you're supposed to do and kill the Prism. I dunno if other things work but you kill the Prism with Opal's AOE attack when Hessontie attacks him. I found it on accident when testing to see if that attack can activate the Freebie Badge effect and my thought was "Wow, it damages the Prism. Now why don't I kill him?"

Hi! So since at present, FLUB has been MIA for about 8 months, Frog has sporadic activity, and Sora does approve runs but I don't believe keeps up with the game much, I requested srcom mods to make me a mod of the game and got approved.

There are a few changes to the leaderboards that Polar and I wanted. The only other runner who's sort of active is tralalapis, who agreed to these changes as well. I don't believe they're anything too major, and since leaderboards are a community thing they can always be changed if we don't all agree/have a majority agreement.

That said, Any%, All Bosses, and 101% will remain the same. As will the parameters of CBF%. The changes that we're making are as follows:

Glitchless will specify the tricks that are allowed and not allowed. We've agreed that as of now, five things that we are aware of should be banned.

-Dave Skip -Forge Skip -Dew Skip in Familiar Grounds, which allows you to get the Green Key early. -Frigid Bridge clip, which allows you to get the Indigo Key early. -Depths Skip, which allows you to avoid doing the metal blocks puzzle with Peridot.

This means some "glitches" like the menu glitch to move during cutscenes, the Peridot/Connie trick in The Split to avoid doing the puzzle, and Pearl Skip are allowed. We agree that with all we have in the game at the moment, a fair definition of a glitch in Save the Light for the purposes of speedrunning is something that skips a major portion of a particular area (e.g. Familiar Grounds, Waterfall Way, South Trail, etc.) or makes it so you do not collect a key item that you otherwise need in a regular playthrough.

This is why, for example, Pearl Skip is allowed but Depths Skip isn't. The fight skipped due to Pearl Skip is possible due to placing characters in certain positions, using Pearl's ability, and switching characters in a certain frame of time, allowing you to open the gate without engaging the enemy there due to being first-striked in the cutscene. The enemy does not drop any important item; this trick simply plays around with the enemy's aggro. Thus, we don't consider it a glitch under these parameters. Depths Skip is banned because you skip the majority of that area and do not progress through it to the next portion of the game as it would obviously have been intended for you to do. This is also why Glitchless now bans Dew Skip - because the way it works allows you to skip two fights that drop Dews and not have to collect the fourth dew in the breakable block, all of which would otherwise be mandatory to get to Waterfall Way.

Console and PC will be separated. This is because the PC version has faster loading times, which further seems dependent on how good your computer is. It was also discovered by me that if PC users put their graphics onto "fast" this saves even more time. The longer the run, the more time saved due to faster loading times and cutscenes being faster (e.g. easier to mash, Sapphire and Ruby's re-fusion is faster, etc.) And on the PC it's faster for 101% in addition, since you can change system time in between loading zones instead of while still sitting in a zone as the console requires.

We're also moving CBF% to a Misc category. As is, we believe Any%, All Bosses, Glitchless, and 101% would be satisfactory for main categories. A "beat the game as fast as possible, anything goes", a "Defeat every boss in the game, and everything goes" "beat the game as fast as possible, without glitches" and "get your file to 101%". If anything else gets discovered in the future, we can amend the rules as necessary, though unless anything huge is discovered (e.g. a way to get the weapon upgrades through a faster, non-source means) I imagine we'll be keeping these four as our main categories.

With CBF% being moved, we're also making a few more Misc categories. As of now we will have the following:

-Pearl% -Amethyst% -Map Completion -Hessonite Rush -From My Point Of View The Jedi Are Evil

I believe we plan to have a Greg%, Steven%, and Peridot% at some point. For these categories, the idea is essentially to ban Connie's damage exploit and only allow team attacks using the character of the category (e.g. Pearl% would not be able to have Garnet and Amethyst fuse into Sugilite). These are basically challenge categories that run under the All Bosses rules with additional restrictions. Map Completion simply requires you to have every area of the game unlocked via the warp pad. Hessonite Rush is a boss rush of sort, where you start on a previous file and try to kill SC and Hessonite as fast as possible. The Jedi's goal is to kill the Prism during the Hessonite fight and get a game over.

And one final thing - I'm moving All Bosses over one spot so the order is Any% - All Bosses - Glitchless - 101% -- Misc.

Yeah I believe so. Thank you!

@Seydie The other active runner (polarbearswag19) tried contacting Sora a few weeks ago off site and got no response from what I was told. https://www.speedrun.com/sustl/thread/7icqp there is also this post which has not been responded to in 20 days which should help prove my point that despite approving runs, Sora doesn't actually participate in the boards (which currently is an issue because we have new glitches discovered, want to make new categories, rewrite some rules etc.), Frog has also not responded to either discord or twitch in the last 30+ days since I sent them a message.

Hi, I still have the same issue that I brought up about a month ago in the previous thread:

https://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/63nr7/356

That being: For Save the Light, our super mod has not logged on in 8 months, FrogPope has very sporadic activity (currently not logged in for 28 days) and our other moderator approves runs if submitted but otherwise does not participate in any way with the community or respond when contacted (another runner, polarbearswag19, attempted this two weeks ago and received no response). I'd like to request being a moderator for the game.

Hi, from what I can gather the way games are listed in your profile go in order from your latest approved run to the earliest one. So if you've run, say, 10 games, the game at the very bottom would be the one with your oldest run on it, whereas the first game to appear would be the last one to get approved (e.g. if the latest was submitted to any leaderboard was two weeks ago, that game appears first)

I have a small customization proposal, which is letting users be able to arrange them in any order they'd like. I know that personally I'd want to rearrange them based on my place on the leaderboard rather than a chronological order. I might imagine other people may want to do the same, or want to categorize them another way, like perhaps alphabetically, or by series, depending on what it is they've run.

Yeah and maybe a Misc section that we can also toss CBF% into, along with the Map Completion idea I had, as well as an Amethyst and Pearl category with the parameters I mentioned on discord awhile back.

I agree that All Achievements would make for a good category (certainly has a bit more substance than things like Map Completion and CBF%) the only problem I have is that PC users would have difficulty because as far as I can tell there's no way to delete achievements and it would be tedious for both the runner and moderator to verify some of them being accomplished (e.g. make sure all team attacks got used, got every boltron fortune)

Which isn't an argument against making it, just kinda sucks PC users would be at a disadvantage (but hey, maybe it's good we finally have a category where consoles have the advantage). I suppose it could also be a console only category for the sake of convenience?