@Novawolf he really hit the nail right on the head. Tavens sum of best is 253 milliseconds below 4:55 . In my humble opinion 2 more frame rules will be saved before it becomes a battle of 8-4 frames (avoiding the unbeatable bowser frame somehow) i imagine an expert TASer will find setups for humans to be more consistent. If im wrong then only one more frame rule will be saved before 8-4 grinding becomes most significant but honestly I believe there will be two more frame rule saves that'll someday be consistent for humans. It'll be up to humans whether they wish to endure the pain of pushing the reset button

I know Taven pulled an 8-1 fr in an rta to save a run that had fallen 1 fr behind. I also understand that 8-2 is getting closer for human consistency? Correct me if im wrong. That would be around 0.7. With a better 8-4 i think it could happen. It would probably require more patience then has ever been required from any runner in any game as there would be many lost runs before 8-4

I mentioned this in a post I made earlier today but I really wanted to express my appreciation. To all the people on here who take time out if their life to measure and record my super Mario Bros runs. My love of the game fizzled out once saving the princess seemed remedial but having revisited the game after all these years with the sole intent of performing this task in 4:59.9999 has revitalized my long lost childhood passion. Now I find myself looking for opportunities amidst my two jobs to devote time to this hobby and it's moderators like you guys that make this experience so much more enjoyable so thank youu