Figure I would say thank you for the helpful sources and give an update.

managed two 50's now. A 50:57 and a 50:45. Thanks for all the help. new splits look like this.

bomb: 4:57:5 varia: 10:14:5 power bomb: 17:07:2 gravity: 22:21:2 botwoon (head hit ground): 25:27:4 ridley tank: 36:51:1 finish: 50:45:8

5 E tanks 20 missle 10 super

run went to crap after twritg. Metal pirates were sloppy, Escape was sloppy, metroid rooms 1 and 3 were sloppy, missed baby skip attempt. Sub 50 is my next goal =).

The best source for learning I found was a tutorial on youtube by sweetnumb + oatsngoats, followed closley by the SM wiki.

thanks for all the tips, and I've watched all your pb's and took everything I could from them. Got a new pb yesterday (55:34:00). not quite where I want it but improvement.

Seems it's draygon mostly. I'm having trouble finding the xfactor timing. I have only watched a few strat videos for it but they all seem to use either a 3 tap or stutter 3, I use a stutter 2 for all of my short charges right now. Also I charge my initial spark from the righr side. doesn't help I still struggle to not spark upwards. working on it though.

I noticed a lot of runners skipping ice escape and using croc speedway. Is it a consistency thing or is croc speedway faster?

I'm gonna try and record and submit a run this weekend, I'd like to be on the board haha.

thanks for the great reply! It seems draygon is my biggest time loss..

you got me there, in my PB i fell into the moat going for ocean fly, then accidentally grabbed moat missles losing another 7 seconds. I was asking because if it saves less then 5-7 seconds I'm going to stop going for it for now.

My route is "optimal" KPDR.. so wave before LN.I use a hero shot with wave to do red tower climb.

I only grab kraid tank if I can get it sub 11, the only use I have found for it is it gives enough health to do a spark on your way back to red, but damage boost off the weaver is almost as fast

I use a 2 charge X factor then 4 missle 1 super to 2 round phantoon, in my PB I got a fast slow pattern but I screwed up my attic spark.

I use a right wall left wall timing to xfactor botwoon but for the life of me I can never get more then 2 to connect, he usually takes me 3-4 rounds.

I have to farm the sandpit for supers before draygon, then I proceed to do a halfie not a full.

Draygon is insert fav curse here. I can never seem to get my xfactor to connect and my sparks like to goof on me, which is wierd because its the only room in the game i struggle with horrizontal sparks. I usually end with blue suite but not always.. also chain damage has taken about 10 pb pace runs from me lol.

I have methods for nearly every room in the game except for "the worst room in the game" where I admittedly take it slow. I know the top tier KPDR runners do a one charge shot method to freeze the right side pirate then lay PB on him but I can't seem to get the timing. I've considered using the PKRD method and using the PB I frames to space jump through the pirates but I haven't gotten it consistent.

I wasn't sure how much damage x factor did to ridley. So supers do double damage to him but xfactors just standard? then I'm gonna stop! probably 15 seconds saved right there!

I get ridley tank instead of kraid just for LN escape. I don't actually need it but it allows me to spark across metal pirate room and damage boost or simply tank a hit off of one of the 3 muskateers. Being able to eat a ketchup is an advantage too.

Unfortunetly I don't have anything to capture my runs, or I would have submitted my 56! my early game is pretty strong, my PB ceres is 1:29 pb bombs is 5:01 pb supers 6:58 pb charge 7:59 pb varia 10:16 but my average varia is 10:30. I slowly add more optimal strats as I go. recently I added a walljump into meridia, a nicely timed jump into the next room (dont know its name) and baby skip. my baby skip isn't consistant but I go for it cause it usually decides wether I can PB or not. My ledge grabs are pretty good in most places except wrecked ship and parlor 2.. damn hjb's lol.

I appreciate your reply! looks like my biggest time saves are going to be on botwoon and draygon. I'm gonna take a watch of your pb and try and take some tips.. and good luck on a sub 50!!

Hello, new here.

Started running SM on my snes classic about 2 months ago as a hobby. Landed on any% KPDR as 100% just seemed so tedious. I've gotten fairly competant at it with a PB of 56:08:4 and a BP of 54:17:7. Average completed run is about 58:xx:xx.

So that being said my goal is to be able to achieve a 50:xx:xx and would appreciate if anyone can help me find some time saves and answer a couple questions for me. I'm gonna ask a few then post up my splits and hope someone can tell me where I need to improve to shave off 6 minutes. Currently running 21-23%. I grab kraid tank if im minus in my splits and sometimes accidentally get moat missles in ocean fly attempts. Standard run is 4 tanks 15 missiles 10 supers and 5 PB's.

question 1: how much time does ocean fly save vs 2 spark method? Is it worth it?

question 2: Is a single X factor a time loss on Ridley if you have plasma?

Question 3: How much time does baby skip save with a 6 jump method? is it worth it?

Splits are my PB using FramePerfect:

Bombs: 5:12:6 Varia: 10:35:4 Power Bombs: 17:48:4 Gravity Suit: 23:44:8 Botwoon dead: 27:21:2 Ridley Tank: 41:43:4 Finish: 56:08:4