GermanyMate...You can edit memory using gameshark , you can thus perform any thing and most easily the shit in your video, you only have to know how to use it. I dont understand you. You go to a speedrunning website, enter a thread called "chocobo speedmating" (which is interesting for actual speedruns involving that in completion) and tell us "hehehe you dont need a chocobo, you can just cheat, to get kotr lol, please watch my shitty video how to do it". Like your guard scorpion video , it is completely nuts from beginning to end. Keep moving the cursor so the laser cant target anyone ?¿? I dont know if you are a troll or something but can you stop putting your videos everywhere?
Or ff7+a gameshark would be easier. We know this glitch it is really old and it obviously cant be used in speedrunning.
Then find a way to do it without external influence. Also fmvs are doing very little to the total time of the game. You have a 10-11h game with a few minutes of fmvs, it doesnt do anything relative to the length. 90% of the run you are skipping textboxes.
Its not worth it to open Pandoras Box for this, the run is still equally long and painful.
This is different because it involves manipulating the hardware you are running on. The fmv is not skipped because you found a glitch or exploit ingame but you just open the tray at a time you shouldnt to break the data stream. That of course is bad. If you allow that you can also allow booting the game over Action Replay and inducing cheat codes or putting different hardware in the console with the attitude "any cheat that saves a second is ok". Nope Im against cheating there.
Deathtome was obviously making a joke I am surprised people actually want to do that.
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Thanks wafer :) In case you wonder why I had to change your times in the level board, we use RTA timing there on all other runs. I just talked to deathtome and we just leave out the disc change part if someone saves and reloads so the timing is until the "Do you want to save screen" for all discs, in real time however. Your disc2 was timed correctly, however for your disc1 time you referred to the ingame timer which is inaccurate so I changed it to the realtime :)
Im working on notes for this btw. Its a solo Shana/Miranda route. For the moment I wouldnt just copy what is seen in the video because on many shoppings I did just improvise :D And i made a few other mistakes as well. It can be better. Notes are in the making.
Did the XP Exploit get patched? I free the prisoner, I wait until 100XP are added, I use Dusk till Dawn and the cage is empty.
I bought the game over uPlay.
For the lategame it is useless anyway but for early XP it is necessary. Siwa leveling costs 11minutes for a handful of XP. There is no problem killing the first Boss in lv2 with the Mace counter attack. The leveling before Alexandria isnt great either.
The children hide and seek for 900 is ok, the rest in that place rather not.
Thus I am interested how exactly the exploit works. Is there a possibility that I did something wrong or is it no longer possible?
What the hell. You say "Emulators on PC can never be faster than a PS2", I prove you wrong,(Yes one example does suffice since you say "never" but I have more). As a consequence you claim that I said "Emulators are faster at every game" which I never did and call that uneducated given that in your weird perception I believe that and figured it from having 1 example? How old are you mate? Can you start reading what I say rather than making shit up? I said the emu of the pstv is faster at pretty much every game which is the point here. Not pc emus. I only ever talked about pc emu speed to prove your random statement wrong. Actually it doesnt matter this topic is about pstv.
But it gets better. "The guy who tested that ff7 is faster on psxfin must have used a modded ISO to speed up the loads" FailFish That is wrong on so many levels I do not even know where to start. Apart from the fact that it makes no sense it is not what happened. Psxfin is commonly used for practice and in the past has been used by a few other runners than me also for runs. Which was before there was a leaderboard for it. It is commonly known in the community how much quicker it is. You can just test for yourself or look at any practice/running footage of anyone to see instant transitions. In fact my pb on psxfin is 7:09:50 , that is like 9 minutes faster than the WR on PS2 . Of course I modded my iso for that with the allmighty load booster iso hackprogram Kappa
However, as I said before, that part is pretty unimportant, the point you didnt get (and I think you still didnt do so) is that a pstv emulates ps1 games no other than a pc emu. And since a pstv is faster and nobody likes to run emulation you cant force people to use it.
Before you come back , google "emulation" and read a bit. In your world anything made by sony, regardless of the fact that all devices have different hardware and thus require different individual emus coded for them, is exactly the same and also the same as a ps2 with the only difference that fds can be set or not. You seriously believe you can compare a ps3 to a pstv and the only difference is one option. Read, read, read.
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(As a cherry on top, in mednafen you actually can set the iso load speed and on high settings murder ps2 load times at literally any ps1 game in existence if you want to. Psxfin is just defaulted to load as fast as possible and at some games it works faster than a console and at others not. Another example would be Gran Turismo 1. Mednafen can do it at like any game and psxfin only a handful because just like a ps2, mednafen is way more precise. But that is again another story.)
I guess you are now joking. Fast Disc Speed doesnt change anything. It doesnt solve the softlocks, in fact some glitches are removed by it. PS2 basically has more problems at this game than a PS1. Also fds is not the major and only speed difference, ps1/2 and emulators including the pstv both with fds on and off all have individual speed. And it doesnt change the fact that only ps1/2 are not emulating the game. Please dont produce chaos now this makes no sense and doesnt relate to the op, if we want to talk about how ps1/ps2 compare and the influence of fds we should do so in a seperate place.
This is only about pstv and I have explained any important information in that regard. If it is faster it needs a seperate board, if you are unhappy with the glitches on a ps2 that is a new topic.
Of course there is differences between hardware, of course you have an advantage playing on ps2. Thats just the major point. The fastest device allowed is what you have to default to in order to reach a top time. Thus the leaderboard is now ps2 board, once you allow pstv and it is faster it is pstv board. Slower stuff allowed is unimportant it matters what is the top device. And the difference here is that the ps2 plays the game natively and is thus good to play on while any emulator including pstv is crappy. Forcing a ps2 to get wr is ok , forcing sth crappy is not. The only difference between a pstv and a pc emulator regarding ps1 games is the sony logo.
And regarding gray psx and dragoon softlocks...you basically apply the same logic as me only taking it one step further. Namely claiming that not even a ps2 is 100% native given that the different hardware regardless of whether fd is on or off is producing glitches unknown to a ps1 showing it is not 100% the same after all. The problem you have here is that you come too late. PS2 is established everywhere, the current WR at lod is using it. While you can always change rules it is hard to remove runs from the main board that fit in the ruleset of their time meaning the WR becomes eternal. On pstv the same will happen if it loads quicker it will also most likely have unique properties or even bugs and we will be too late again if we dont seperate it from the start.
You didnt understand a single word. Emulation is never faster is what you are saying just after telling me the pstv is usually faster. LuL Your "fast disc option" is just an emu setting , that is not the difference to the ps3 or sth pc emus can not do. PSXFIN is way faster at ff7,gt1 and many others in load times than a ps2, this fast disc option is nothing pstv exclusive or sth making it closer to a ps2 they just call it that to run load time emulation on max speed which pc emus usually are defaulted to(obviously no disc spinning here aye?) The ps3 just uses a totally different emulator that was made in a different time for a different cpu. It has nothing to do with a pstv in any way it cant even run a lot of games at all, it was rushed and it is terrible and slow. These "consoles" as you call them are emulating the game no different than pcemus and they are not doing so very well. Thus they dont belong on one board with the gamebeing played back natively and correctly.
The fact that there are other communities who fail with pstv doesnt matter the reason here is being uninformed. Look in the spyro forums i asked why only epsxe is allowed as emulator. And they are telling me that the important thing is emulating a grey psx as accurately as possible. And thus epsxe?? OMEGALUL epsxe is the least precise emu , it is designed for compatibility and nothing else, when a console would have long crashed it still keeps running like a coca cola truck. XEBRA would have belonged there. Thus I dropped the topic right away because I was obviously talking to a wall.
Its not "unfair" to seperate a pstv because it is not your console that is faster but your emu that is faster. And why you think it is when load times are frame based? Because it is not good.
Im gonna say that I dont mind too much if it is slower but the pstv usually isnt. We should compare some footage and look at load times and if the pstv provides an advantage we make a digital board just like on the ff boards I mentioned.
That is exactly what I am saying. Just because this game is small doesn't mean we have to do things that do not make sense. There was a lot of stuff done wrong on other games I've been to and they have just been carried over due to tradition and fixing them later was a pain in the butt. As for example fixing the fps stuff on ff7 pc it took me like a year to fix what people should have most obviously done ages ago. Emulated stuff and original console doesnt belong together, PSX emulation including what Sony offers in that department is just way too off for that it is not even necessarily only about loading times it just isn't the same thing. Doesn't the fact that this kazas warp seems to only work on whatever this ps3 emu is supposed to be serve as enough of a warning?
And yea, in case the PSTV is faster which it usually is at any game that means anyone can use it not just the first person that does so. Meaning you force any runner who wants a top time to deal with half assed laggy failed attempts of emulating a ps1 in order to speedrun the main category of this game. No thanks mate we should do this properly :) Any% only native consoles please.
That is the wrong logic, it doesnt matter whether it is official or not. It is allowed but you have to seperate what is different. Just because a pstv has an official sony logo on it doesnt mean the quality and precision of the emulation gets any more precise. Nobody in their right mind would throw a psx emulator together with native playback. It is common on older consoles where the emus are providing very exact results and where the availability of the hardware is becoming a problem but on psx it is a terrible idea.
At lod this is especially true because any emulation of the game is amongst the worst ive seen on psx.
As I mentioned above I would seperate native playback (psx/ps2) and any sort of emulation like pstv or ps3 in 2 leaderboards the same way we do it at ff7 and ff8.
The logic behind it is the same one you apply when you seperate pc or ps4 ports of classics into their own boards. You dont just put different runs on the same boards only because both are "official".
Only PS1/PS2 belong inside the same leaderboard. PSTV/PS3 are regarded "legit," because it is official hardware, however they are unable to natively playback psx games. In fact they use ( rather mediocre) emulators and thus have no business on a console board with ps2 runs. At the moment it doesnt matter since nobody ran on it but should someone do so we will most likely operate according to ff leaderboards and seperate psx disc and digital versions to ensure no emulated gameplay is mixed with the original game.
Ok I understand that. Thanks for the replies.
I see I wonder why that i so given that fds is allowed. In my eyes the only thing that makes sense is allowing emulators as long as they are slower than console counterparts. pSX is exactly the same in speed as epsxe at this particular game, btw epsxe is in no way an accurate psx emulation. epsxe is like the least precise emulator out there it is good for playing because it allows plugins that produce nice audio and video but its load times, input lag and also its behavior in critical situations where a real console would already freeze are little to do with consoles. If you want a good emulation of a gray fat psx the only option is Mednafen but well since ps2 fds is allowed why are other emulators not good for submission as long as they are not faster. I dont understand that I guess thats pretty much my initial question.
Hi guys, I see there is a similar thread but its like 2 years old so I thought I rather make a new topic.
So I was wondering why the only accepted emulators are epsxe, Xebra and Mednafen. I dont know any emulator at Spyro2 that doesnt run considerably slower than a PS2 with Fast Disc loading. I made some runs using pSX 1.13 and I already lose 5s from leaving glimmer until gaining control in summer forest over a console run so why is that run not legit for submission.
The problem I have with the suggested emulators in the rules is that they lag like mad, especially epsxe. The input lag is horrific and when Im streaming or starting a local recording this is amplified making it very hard to play properly. pSX is a rather lightweight emulator that doesnt have those issues and at least at Spyro2 it is way slower than console so I wonder why it is not allowed to use it.
Also I wonder if the rule on epsxe version 1.9 is intentionally banning the current version 2.05 or if it is outdated. Thank you!
