NG+ is really, really boring. I don't think anybody will really run that, and it could legitimately be botted so i don't think it should really exist.

I don't think the level leaderboards really gain much advantage from customization, so i'd say it's fair to allow it.

Ya'll need to chill

No worries, i'll fix the time, gg though, i'll give this a shot i suppose, 6 minutes ain't too bad.

Not Steam version, will take a long time to re-install. Thinking Emoji.

Alright good luck dude

"Complete the 'Royal Rumble' match as fast as possible. Timing begins upon selecting 'Play' and ends upon the start of the celebration screen. Timing method '00.000' is preferred."

Nobody's really done a Rumble run yet, i might do it if somebody else does it, but i'm fairly certain its super rng heavy.

I'd like to run SYM, but when i think about it the game would end up being extremely long, its two years long and most storylines are outside of your control.

Good ending is not getting the Coach cutscene about not having a match at WrestleMania in my opinion, is KOTR even in the game's season mode?

This will require a lot, a lot of routing lmao

And uh, about the Cruiser thing, well it would make sense, and cut down the cheesy parts of the run a lot, because all the cruisers start pretty low SP wise, so you'd have to win a whole lot.

The only thing that i'm almost sure will end up in the final route for this is the movie storyline where you skip a few months, not too, too sure how to trigger it or when though.

Yeah a minimum SP level would still be abusable because of high tiered guys unfortunately, at that point it'd turn into a game of losing the most amount of matches possible without fucking the run up.

Maybe something like winning all the titles in one run and getting a good ending would work, you'd still lose some matches intentionally but it would feel more....necessary?

Yeah i'd be up for something like good ending%, but i think that's the only viable category, and still on a theoretical sense you could just get dq'd all the way to the Rumble and still get it.

Coming up with a non abusable category for this game is kinda difficult, but it can be done if there's real interest in it, it would be a little arbitrary, but it would be less of a meme still.

Well this is a great meme, i just caught up with this.

Other than the reasons already stated, how do you expect the game to grow if we make the run into 20minutes of menuing+5 minutes of exiting every single match+30 minutes of loading?

Is getting intentionally DQ'd a "meme"? Yes, yes it is, but at least its some resemblance of gameplay, i could've understood your concerns if you wanted something like a "good ending" category that forces people into actually winning matches, but what you're asking is literally a slower NG+.

Moreover, getting mad/being passive aggressive in a forum won't get you anywhere, neither will bringing your friends to a thread to back you up, as Robot said, you don't seem to have the maturity to have a serious conversation, but i'm willing to consider more/different categories if they make sense, this isn't us ganging up on you, since i barely know Robot, only things we have in common is that we speedran this game and we both seem to know who Zoton2 is(Shoutouts to that dude btw).

Now to end this charade, responding is probably a bad idea, but eh, if it ends up in people insulting other people again i can simply just close the thread i suppose.

I would like to request mod for both the WWF Smackdown! Just Bring It and the True Crime: New York City leaderboards:

-For the first one, well, i've had five runs awaiting verification for the past 2-3 months

-For the second one, i've been trying to build a little community around as i believe it deserves one, and we have a few runs awaiting verification from me and new people. Having new runners wait quite a bit for verification is quite a let down too, since they could just drop the game. Moreover, we tried contacting the current mod for the game on Twitter, and we got no response.

Oh sure lol

EDIT: "You do not have permission to do this." Uhhhh, welp.

Yeah its not "automatic" on PS2 of course, because its not tied to the PS2 hardware, but re-timing is very easily doable.

Anyway, the way it works is, well i never tried it on an emu but i don't see why it would be any different, you can run livesplit with two timers, classic and loadless, the loadless just pauses whenever you're in a loading screen.

I wouldn't want to split the categories just yet because, there's just no runners as is, there would be even less since you're splitting like 4 people in two categories, one of which currently dead because i haven't been grinding it.

We could implement loadless times, there's a plugin for livesplit that should work, and it would make it fair for everyone.

Winning a match here and there shouldn't make any difference, your SP is gonna be incredibly low anyway, and i don't believe winning a specific match triggers more storyline trees, so if winning is faster than losing in a specific match, it's probably just that, faster.

The ladder idea does indeed seem pretty good, you might also just be able to irish whip him towards the stage and maybe climb up and win? Could work, you can always just put a table in the middle of the "beginning" of the ramp and get another couple of seconds from that, if needed.

Turning entrances off was not something i have done in my runs, it's probably gonna save a couple of minutes, and a lot of mashing, therefore, that's a really good one.

I'm not sure if the difficulty has an impact on the run, it really depends on how the AI deals with higher difficulties, if its simply reversing more, than yes, easy is the way, if they're also more aggressive, and tend to give you better moves, higher difficulties are probably better.

Also, reading the post again, Triple Threat matches are tough, yeah, what i usually do is getting a sledgehammer, and, if they're targeting each other, get a couple of hits on someone, if they're not, i let them beat me up until i'm to a point where i can get pinned, and then try to get rid of the guy who's not been targeting me, allowing the other to pin me freely.

Now that i think about it, we're both using the European version, i suppose, but is there any way to know what the differences between US and EU version are?

https://gyazo.com/d71d466a124c572e4c10635c729b2417

Just a screenshot of my current splits(with notes) for reference, since i'll probably be referencing it a lot.

Alright, first of all, i'm fairly certain choosing what character you play as is the most important thing, as it changes how the game books you, if you get title shots, if you trigger certain storylines, and all that good stuff, so, logically, the fastest way to beat the game would be to choose a "bad" character, as it gets less matches, title shots, storylines(i mean, you'll be refusing them anyway unless you must play through it), and well, on a lesser extent, you'll be beaten up quicker.

Who i think(this may require testing though) is the best choice, and i'm not kidding, is Steven Richards, as i believe he's not considered a cruiser, so he's not eligible for title shots of that kind, and the Cruiserweight title is the one that requires the lesser SP to compete for, i think, he's also extremely average on every stat there is, and low on SP(it's also hilarious seeing Vince come out and call out a Jobber Steven Richards as the possible future of the company). I did consider picking someone with higher speed stats, but from the bottom of the barrel you only have people .5 more speed than him, so i wasn't sold on that. I'm not sure how the run would change if someone from Raw was picked though, a cruiser from Raw might work, since there's no Cruiserweight title there.

So you get into the run, and i probably should've talked about the (N/Y/N/Y) thing, it's just a simple way for me to remember what i have to choose at the very beginning of the game, when it asks you to reset the season, use default stables and all that jazz, i should probably use a save with no CAWs, since it does require me a few seconds to press more buttons to disable them, but i'm not sure if i should use a completely fresh save, with absolutely nothing unlocked, and well, unlocking all the legends again requires work...(Probably something that should be talked about at some point). Everything on the parenthesis is a note about every decision you're gonna take during the run, i'm probably gonna get rid of those once i'm actually familiar with the run though.

How do you go through the matches if you're not skipping them entirely? There's two methods, and i've actually only used the first one, since i'm not sure how the second one would be any different from skipping: -The first method is to simply get DQ'd, now, i've done some testing about what would be faster between the sledgehammer and the chair, but it wasn't very conclusive, fact is, you're probably not gonna be able to run towards the ropes to your left(to get a chair), without getting that annoying running the ropes animation, while you would easily be able to do so if you ran downwards(to get a sledgehammer), and the sledgehammer animations seem to be faster(especially the X+right/left one), but easily countered(two runs of mine died to someone like Rico reversing me five times in a row), while the chair seems a bit slower, but safer. -The second method would be to simply quit the match, that immediately loses you the match, but it's kinda like skipping the match, but sitting through the cutscenes, isn't it? Both methods do involve you losing, because that is faster, cheesy, maybe, but faster.

Gimmick matches are interesting, and probably the ones that will require the most testing, because they're really bound to how the AI acts, in this route, for example in a tables match: You simply grab the table, wait for the opponent to grapple you, and then get beaten to death with it until your opponent decides to grapple you while holding the table, and wins the match, this doesn't work when your limbs are still completely fine, not sure where the limit is, probably somewhere between yellow and orange(i think it's either red or orange, if you're trying to put him through the table). Another gimmick match in this route is a Lumberjack match, which, to me, is the funniest strat in the route. You're gonna be one of the lumberjacks, and the first few times i simply tried to see if i could catch the ones inside, with a weapon from outside, then i accidentally hit one of the lumberjacks, and someone got DQ'd, so that works, and it's really fast since lumberjacks stand mostly still. Tag matches aren't really gimmick matches, but there's a little bit of a trick in here too, you can hit your teammates to get DQ'd, probably doesn't save much time, but every little bit helps. I also got into Steel Cages, and....i really have nothing for those, i get beat up until my opponent decides to climb up, i tried staying as far away as possible, but it didn't seem to work, so that requires some testing. Anything that is kind of a hardcore match, in the sense that there's no DQs, but pins and submissions, you grab a sledgehammer and do the table strat(well, kind of, you just get beat up), and that seems to work. I don't remember anymore gimmick matches(might get more from the SD!/Raw roulette, i'm still not sure how random that is though).

Alright, i think i'm done with the strats, well there's little things, that seem to work on PS2(well, mine), that i'm not sure would work on Emu, like pressing left 3-4 times while trying to go to the match card(from no, to left, if that wasn't very clear).

Route itself(this meaning the decisions you're gonna take) is fairly simple if you understand the words in parenthesis. -Keep progress (No) -Reset Season mode (Yes) -Keep created stables (No) -Play with default stables (Yes)

-Don't participate in the UK tour (Skips you a show) -Refuse to get a manager (Skips you a storyline)

-Give JR the cold shoulder (Uh, yeah, i gotta go) -Refuse to get a manager

-Refuse to get a manager (They really want you to get a manager, huh?)

And here come the important choices, since these determine whether or not you'll be in the Elimination Chamber, which wastes about 15-20 minutes i believe. -Tell him you want to be a singles superstar (Triggers the Vince tree, and stops the faction tree)

-Ignore whoever wants to undermine your beautiful car (Skips you a storyline)

-Knock Vince out (And you have successfully skipped the Elimination Chamber) -Don't participate in the UK tour

-Leave him alone(To be honest, i don't remember which choice this is, i think this is where Jerry Lawler asks you to help him though, if it is, you just....skip a match by not helping him)

-You choose the Handicap match(I haven't actually tested this, but the other option is Special Referee, which i'm fairly sure implies YOU would be the referee, so this skips you another match) -You choose the Table match(I don't remember what the other option is, but table matches with good RnG aren't slow at all, so i think this is faster)

-Don't take part in the Royal Rumble (This would probably take about as much time as the Elimination Chamber, it's the last chance you have to get a chance at the World Title though, so if it was decided that finishing the game with a "success" is required, either this or the part where you knock Vince out would be changed) -Refuse to get a manager

-And you get good ole Coach to cheer you up because you "failed" Season Mode, the end, i believe i split once the credits start rolling.

Hopefully i haven't forgotten anything, and yes, this is a damn long post, but then again, this community is just starting, so this can probably be used as future reference for a guide too, and hopefully it sparks some discussion. And i'd like to point out, this isn't necessarily how the run should be done, but it's a basis to base discussion off of, we might even decide that this route shouldn't be allowed, and that's completely fine.

You really didn't need to add the time, i didn't state my time for that, i know runs require verification anyway, and i'm not able to provide that, i just wanted to make it clear what kinda pace could've been reached with the route/strats.

But anyway, thanks for that, it's kinda cool that i'm on the leaderboards, i'll try to get a run on emu eventually, if i can, so that i'll also be able to figure out if loading times are different.

I guess i'll make a new thread for the route/strats, it could be used to discuss possible changes to it that way too.

Alright here's the thing, i've been thinking about running this game for a few months, and ways to do it too since there was no record of somebody running this game until like, a week ago.

Well, regardless, i finally decided to run this game with my own route and rules about a week ago, since it was simply for fun, and it still will be until i try and run on an emulator, allowing me to record the run, anyway, the point i'm trying to make is, my PB right now is 1:10:51, pretty easy to beat too since my Sum of Best is 4 minutes quicker, again, i have no way of giving you guys proof, until you try my route yourselves, i'd love it if this game actually got a speedrunning community though, so where do you want me to post the route? Here? or a separate thread?

P.S. Run is no skips, route is already pretty cheesy, i can't handle all the cheese that would come from skipping matches too.