North Carolina, USAI don’t want any changes to the rules I just needed a little more clarification on the ending time. I would like these times adjusted as .303 and .313 aren’t viable frames and after retiming both of them they are way off. I do like the end time of changing colors and using that Nestorc’s time would be .266, beatmaster’s would be .499, (being the first frame the color is different). The main thing I want is for these times to be adjusted to whatever timing the mods feel necessary and put a clear definition on the exact end time into the rules. Thanks for clarifying an end time and reading all this.
So after having a couple of my runs retimed I realized that the 1st and 2nd place run times would not be possible on a 30 fps video. A frame in a 30 fps video is .03333333333 you get the idea, and neither 32.303 or 32.313 fit as a viable frame. the 2 frames closest to them are 32.299 and 32.332. When I found this out I decided to get these 2 videos retimed and what I found was a lot different than what I expected. Here is the vid of OverworldYT and I retiming the "WR" of 32.303. (he had the editing software and I knew the frames) Because of the vague end rule of "when you bring the chalice into the golden castle," the end frame I came up with was when the square got re-positioned if he goes into the castle and the frame the player loses control if he doesn't. BeatMaster2003 stopped a frame earlier than when the square got re-positioned but I decided to go with his timing because the rules do not state which would be correct. Even with the frame cut off the time we got was 32.432. This is a while off of what he came up with which was .303. After this I decided to retime second place as well because it didn't fit either. The video for that is here . After retiming that to the frames I decided earlier for my retimes (which I can provide a screenshot if needed), the time was .232 which is a lot better than he originally got (on a side note I don't understand how he got .313, my only guess is that he took the .31 on livesplit and added a 3) both these times are way off and need to be adjusted. If anyone wants screenshots of where timing started and stopped for each run I can provide them. If you would like to see the runs themselves with the timer from the editing software, you can see them here BeatMaster: Nestorc: Please adjust these runs and make the rules a little more clear about end timing.
I'm gonna hope this is sarcastic but I'm gonna respond as if it isn't. webcams, phones, and other recording devices work fine. IDK why people think they need a capture card to record. If you cant get one, it's perfectly reasonable because they are expensive. Webcams are $10 and you probably have a phone that you could use as well.
Well if you don't care then why are you still mod? If you don't care can you at least remove it for the people who do care?
I've been looking into running this game as well and how hard is it to make a forum for new mods? why do you have to make a category? there is no point and it just clogs up the leaderboards. And it seems the mod doesn't care enough to actually enforce it? or maybe it ended? Why is that a thing.
I'm not trying to say like "capture cards are cheap and everyone should have them" but there are options no one looks at because they think they need an HD capture card and have to stream it to get verified which is never true for any game. The only game I've seen with streaming requirements is for top level Super Mario Bros. and that game is so optimized and insane it needs it.
Honestly I feel like people react too much. (thinking of my last post i'm kind of being hypocritical :P) but people are against it for reasons that can be solved easily. Video proof doesn't mean you have to stream. and people also don't think about the options. A lot of new runners only think about a capture card which isn't what's required. A $5 webcam and a table is all you need for video proof. Or if you do want a capture card then you can do what I suggested above and get a 10$ HDMI to AV converter and get an easycap. I'm all up for accessibility but video requirements aren't a big issue. If you can't buy a $5-10$ webcam, then not to be rude but, there are probably bigger issues than verification on leaderboards.
Honestly the fact that people get discouraged by video proof is so annoying. "I don't want to set up everytime I want to speedrun" is the worst excuse I've heard. That's like if NicroVeda got a new wr offline and said he didn't want to set it up. You can believe it all you want but without proof you can't verify it. As for recording, downscalling to av costs like 10$ and an easy cap costs 10$. The same as a decent enough webcam. Even if you aren't a very skilled runner you still need proof. I also hate when people submit runs 1 second above the video requirement so they can brag without proof. Also @Birch many games require video proof for all times. There is a setting for mods to enable it and many games use it.
Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out!
I mean going into the forum and saying it's cheating without proving your point won't do anything. There is a reason communities allow or ban certain tricks and if you want something changed you need to give something to the community to think about that they can't just rebuttal.
And as a side note, where did you get that I was speaking for the majority of the community? I was giving my opinions, not speaking for others.
I agree with Francesco on this. I've at least attempted running this game while i've not found anything that you have even tried running this game. On the note of me not doing IL's of games that I don't run full game RTA, I have tons of games and IL's that i've done and tried to optimize that I either lost the video too or didn't feel the need to submit, and therefore twitch deleted the vod. A simple look into my profile can show some things but not all things.
yes but what you stated doesn't attract people to run the game. IL's don't attract people to run a game because it allows them to practice. IL practice has nothing to do with an IL leader board. If you can prove to me that IL leader boards get's more people interested in running full game RTA or for strat finding and overall community involvement then I think it can be added but as of right now there is nothing valuable on the table for IL leader boards to be added.
if people do it for practice then why would they need a leaderboard for it. That's like saying I wouldn't want to run this game and get good because there aren't individual level leaderboards so I can't practice them.
ehh. was more of abuse of power for a dumb reason so I kind of had it coming :P
ehh. was more of abuse of power for a dumb reason so I kind of had it coming :P
I used to be a mod but it got removed after a fight that happened about a runner's times being verifiable. I believe the agreement came about a year and a half to 2 years ago.
When I ran this game I saw the same issue and the general agreement by the mods at that time is that if someone is willing to make an autosplitter that removes load times, then it would be added. removing load times manually and accurately would require mods or the runners to go frame by frame and remove loads. With how small the game is, it's way too much work and will demotivate runners imo. I don't think any of the mods opinions have changed so it's very unlikely it will happen.
The wii version was also more popular than the ds version. Personally I think if people start running some more categories then they can be added but no point adding categories if no one will run them.
