alternately, no

you don't have any right to stay attached to a board like a leech just because you snagged it first before the game even bloody came out, that's incredibly dumb. This thread is incredibly dumb. That wouldn't solve any problems at all, please stop offering your mind bogglingly bad hot takes.

he let a run sit in verification for six months and otherwise did basically nothing with his mod status, why the hell should he get it back. He's pretty much been undoubtedly shown to not be suited for it while those populating the board with runs are completely fine with the current arrangement. This is pretty much the best outcome possible, so y'all can stop worrying about it.

[quote]I wasn't comfortable adding an unknown version category because future runners wouldn't be able to ensure they are properly competing with other runs in the same category. [/quote]

See, here's the thing with this. You didn't ask anyone doing runs whether or not this was worth holding up everyone over and if you had, you'd have probably found (as I did) that the answer was a resounding "No" because basically nobody considered this to be an especially big deal for the game. The balance changed, the runs basically didn't.

because of this, you held up an entire community for six months over a change none of them actually wanted

I tried to explain this to you before and it went nowhere but you just keep repeating it.

also please dude I have a full time job as well don't even start with this it's literally a 10 minute run, in the time you've spent posting about it you could've completed runs in like 5 different categories

"I just want to add that "submitted by" isn't always the actual submission date and goes off the date the run was done itself"

Only if you manually change it, since it was submitted by Cake Eater and not manually submitted by Buju I don't see any reason to think he waited six goddamn months to do it.

[quote]as nobody had submitted anything or even contacted me about it.[/quote]

Bullshit.

SIX.

MONTHS.

Frankly, you're lucky that guy didn't make the request in all the time you kept him waiting.

"but for me he still has run a category that exists for said game"

A category that does not complete the full game, and could be argued to be of a different game entirely, since it's not a release build of the game. Stop ignoring this part of the argument. It doesn't go away because you don't like it. "For me" doesn't somehow alter reality, full game is full game, he hasn't ran it.

" they are simply arguing for the fact that Buju perhaps shouldn't have been demodded."

Maybe, I didn't ask for him to remove himself, I asked for him to mod me so I could set the board up for full game several months overdue. He stubbornly refused while in the same breath making a bunch of completely insane demands for run verification (like hashing your .exe???), so I took a different approach. If he hadn't decided to be weird about it, there would not have been a problem. That's not exactly my fault.

"and when that element of your argument is removed "

Yes, if you ignore the large overwhelming core of my argument for no good reason, you are in fact left with sarcasm over how incredibly bad I think your argument is. Good observation.

a lot of you are basically just banging on the "man you're rude" in lieu of an actual argument. Whether or not you think I'm an asshole doesn't really have anything to do with the point of the discussion.

Furthermore, whether or not you think my tone makes me suitable for moderating Monolith is irrelevant as all hell unless you actually run Monolith. I ran this past the Monolith community discord before making these posts and that group of people, the group of people actually populating the leaderboard with runs. Were completely happy and even encouraged me to take it over. I'm concerned with the actual community, not the bad takes of people in this thread.

The conversation doesn't even matter?? People who run the full game should be able to mod their board. Someone who has only ran half shouldn't be the sole mod for incredibly obvious reasons. It's that simple.

"If he hasn't ran the full game and only a demo I don't see why that's a reason to demod"

This is just an impossibly stupid take on face value. Imagine any other game being moderated solely by someone who only ran half of it.

I don't know what constructive discussion you wanted. I tried talking to you first and you dismissed "runners should run their boards" out of hand which is an impossible thing to discuss. I can't discourse if you're immune to basic speedrun logic. You were absolutely not open to adding anyone, that's a lie straight up.

Failing that didn't really leave me with too many other options other than to go over your head.

Again, he didn't lose interest. He never ran full game to begin with.

Seriously that's like four people now who don't seem to grok that.

Demo is not full game. It was the only release of the game at the time but the circumstances have changed dramatically in the year or so you've spent ignoring it completely

A full game now exists, and you don't run it and the people who do would very much like to use that board. It's really straightforward.

Edit: intent is meaningless. Actually do runs.

If you ignore a board and it's community for like half a year then yes you probably should lose your mod.

Also again, to reemphasize the part both of you have completely fucking ignored. He doesn't run the game. He ran a half game demo. The games been out since July. He's had time.

Yes, he made changes. Bad ones that nobody actually doing runs wanted.

I really don't think I can emphasise this enough. He has not even finished the game. He didn't do "a run of some categories". He ran a demo and has been holding the board ever since.

If you don't run a game, yes that should absolutely disqualify you from modding it. This is completely open and shut logic and I don't know what plane of reality you operate on if you think otherwise.

Me being an asshole doesn't really have anything to do with that logic. I completely don't care what you think of our conversation. Boards should be ran by people who play the game and it's frustrating that he and you are attempting to encourage this bullshit dancing around the core point. We run it, he doesn't. End of goddamn story.

The community does not feel this is an issue especially worth concern at the moment. It might be later down the line but currently there is no problem.

We can cross the bridge later when we need to.

This isn't the thread for this plus the actual community of people doing runs do not particularly share your opinion on this, sorry.

In the amount of time it took you to make this post, I've already fixed the boards.

you don't run the fullgame and refused to pass the board to people who do, end of story. I was rude to you, because you obstinately refused to cop to this logic and trying to give you "feedback" so you can moderator for a game you haven't finished would be like trying to moderate via Chinese whispers.

It's in the hands of people who actually play the friggin game now.

"TL;DR: Game's speedrunning community didn't exist for months"

ignores the google doc that's existed for months because nobody wanted to deal with you squatting the board

pull the other one, mate

Hi, I'm requesting moderator on Monolith (https://www.speedrun.com/Monolith)

the current mod is definitely active and even talked to me on Twitter! But he only ever did runs of the demo and has been hanging onto the board ever since, leaving the boards in the state of being handled by someone who (according to my attempts to contact him on Twitter) hasn't actually finished the game he's supposed to be moderating for? Which results in there being categories missing (becuase he doesn't know they exist due to not having finished the game) and this frankly insane demand in the ruleset that runners hash their game .exe for categories to be made.

I don't really know what else to do, the devs themselves have contemplated making a request to the admins to get this shit changed so I'm doing it first before they actually have to get involved.

It also took the guy months to actually set the board up for full game as of yesterday due to my prodding despite the game being out since fucking July of last year. Which resulted in the community of people actually doing runs setting up a google doc to use instead: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pD4z1boBoHoEml0X1Iw8DB22izI3-q9IVBOOc7q1Nw8/

They'd move off the google doc if we could actually get the sr.c board made to our liking, but the google doc only exists because this guy was squatting on the page.

I'm aware this is a weird request, but talking to the guy didn't work and he's basically cockblocking the actual community of the game from having an sr.c page, and it's not a big enough game to generate a noticeable ruckus. May I have this so I can sort this mess out? I've got other members of the community on hand to help oversee the game like BulletNick, the guy with most of the actual records (seen here: )

sorry, thank you

tl;dr from someone who is not me

[quote]and this games are visual novels too[/quote]

this is facetious on the face of it and I feel like this'd be extremely obvious to anyone who's played Danganronpa and other VNs to know they're not remotely of the same breed

The genre classification itself isn't all that helpful here, but Danganronpa plays more like a traditional adventure game that just happens to have a shitload of talking in it. Traditional adventure games don't make for the most exciting speedruns because it's like basically all menu'ing and the odd minigame, but I don't think anyone would seriously argue they're not speedruns. Nobody would blink twice at runs of Shadowgate, for instance even if it's not the most thrilling thing ever.

edit: It's also worth pointing out that Danganronpa 2 and 3 both have action/RPG based extra postgame modes that make for complete valid speedruns.

Whereas VNs like Doki Doki Literature Club are characterised by the absence of gameplay, you just read and advance through words and that's it.

[quote]A dating simulator I submitted also got rejected for being a visual novel.[/quote]

What game? Because "dating sim" gets used to mean everything from "basically a VN where you choose your girl" to "something resembling an RPG where you date girls" and the difference is a crucial distinction to draw when deciding if its worth a board IMO.

Rules text updated to:

"These are the emulators that are accepted for submissions, other emulators may be rejected. All emulator runs are hidden regardless due to unfair input polling and general jank regarding PS1 emulation"

Emulator runs using allowed emulators are still being verified and accepted, banned emulators are still banned. The only change is emulator runs now don't display on the leaderboard by default, you can remedy this by clicking on the "Filter" button, if that is your preference.

The reason for this change is new evidence coming to light over a period of time that indicates emulators possess an inherent unfair advantage over console due to emulators having an inherently higher and more stable framerate than console Silent Hill, a game that can barely pull 30FPS on a good day.

Among other past concerns such as the lighting issues, the potential script abuse that has occurred in the past on emulated runs and the general consensus across a majority of PS1 speedrunning that emulators just aren't very accurate, the moderation feels that a final solution is necessary so that we aren't constantly overburdening both the moderation and players with additional onerous emulator rules trying to make it comparable to console when it seems to be a lost cause.

Thus, emulator runs are now hidden by default and will be for the forseeable future. The change to the leaderboard is purely visual and does not impact your ability to submit a run within the existing emulator guidelines and have it accepted.

Thank you for your understanding.

The Not A Hero leaderboards exist now, albeit in kind of an early state so bear in mind stuff might get shuffled around a bit in the coming days.

We're still discussing exactly how to approach End of Zoe and are probably waiting on the autosplitter for the time being, sorry for the delays.

are you sure it's not just syncing to your monitor's refresh rate instead of running at actually 2x60 because if you've got a 120/144hz monitor that's the sort of shit that happens when dealing with PC ports that old