First, what I meant is that your opinion can be biased based on the emotions, not that your whole argument was based on that.

Also, because I interpreted your words about the community, specially the word disturbed, as the community like a dark place without nothing good. As I felt is too much.

Also is clear that the IL work will be not done, because the mains people that was working on that leaves, and if there is no people interested on working on that, doesn't make the community a mess, because is stuff that can happen. And the people that is there maybe don't do too much for IL's because of time, personal stuff, or directly there is no people that wants to work on that.

And also because the main people working on or the people that was interested on leave, is no reason to hate them or stuff like that, they had the right of do whatever they want.

Of the other stuff I will not give my opinion about it, because I think here is not place for that.

My main reason to speak, was because I felt you tag a huge group of something that I don't think they had to be tagged on.

(sorry for my poor english)

hi @Waxy,

Just to add some comments.

1. The thing with Guy2308 was a decision made by a poll (if i remember well) because after anonymization and all the reveal from the problems that they caused. He continually made fun of the situation in his twitter and that trigger the most affected part of the community. That was the main reason why started to think on removing Guy2308. Also if I remember well the mods made a poll of this situation asking about it time ago (i don't know in what ended).

2. Yes, there still conflicts that are not resolve and it is true that have been difficult to close those conflicts (in memory is not that big amount of topic, but yes is a big conflict.

3. This part of shout opinion:

the community is in general a very disturbed, dysfunctional and unproductive place, with resources for example stagnating owing to years of uncontrolled hate and conflicts and seemingly no ability to resolve them

Is the one that I think I have a different opinion. I think that is not that the community is very disturbed, dysfunctional and unproductive place. I think that is too harsh having that there is a good amount of people that is very nice, that you can have fun, share IL, talk about sms, routing, etc. Yes, like in any community you can found people that is not like that. And yes, that shout is maybe his point of view based on his situation with the mods.

I'm not saying that I'm defending the whole group, but yes it triggers me when I know that is not a general case.

P.S. I think the resources with that leaderboard that shout has can have different times, because there is a group of runners that not submit the times in the community leaderboard. But they are good resources.