"You'll have some competition soon!" Yes you will... Yes. You. Willl

Im coming for you.

I have also joined. Geri0n

Hey mod team!

Im going to need you guys to add Warlords of Draenor raids.

Gerrion - Kil'Jaeden - Feral Druid Setting WR for Highmaul speedrun.

I didnt think i could pull this one off, but look at me now!

I dont think it will cause any problem since it doesnt give us any edge over current content.

Hmm, Max is definitely interesting, but its going to be more work for the verifyers. Having to make sure that its all mobs killed. I might be down to do them, but i do not envy you or sadruns having to make sure its actually completed.

Looks great dude, thank you! Let the new bracket begin!

Saw the addition of Any% and 100%. Do you want us to resubmit our runs for 100%?

1. I think there are only a few raids where the "Final boss" is in question. Lich King; Obvious. Ragnaros; Obvious. Archavon; Hmm, thats a good question. While it is called Vault of Archavon, was he really the final boss? Ultimately we might need to consider the Boss with the longest route by normal standards as the final boss. So, Archavon. But what about Baradin Hold? Same idea, Alizabal is the farthest from the entrance, AND the last boss activated in BH's History. While it will come down to community/mod choice, this should be easy to knock out. Really we can make a forum post and edit as we see fit.

2. Ok thank you for the clarification. At the moment i like having it be "whole seconds" vs ms... but if we see it needs to be changed than so be it. I do think having a timer on the final video is important tho, regardless when you time it.

2a. I have also been priming my load times.

3. Goblin warriors? Interesting. Ultimately the option is there for anyone to pick up any class/profession combo. Do you have to? No. Will that give you a competitive edge? Perhaps. If we have 100 people start putting ICC runs on the leaderboards, and the top 10%'s are Night Elf Druids Engineers, then if i want to take that spot, i need to make me a NE,D,E. We're playing the optimizing game. Thats what its all about.

4. Yea text speed i think is the main player there. If you are on a bracket based on milliseconds, shaving those off due to limitations on software/hardware is kinda important.

Set it up!

@ConjuredBiscuit : On the PTR you can literally copy your Live character and play on it, or you can create premade cookie cut classes.

@cdgexe: If you look through alot of Sheiks videos, you will see that glitching and finding shortcuts are how he likes to play. Its a core part of speedrunning history, and i think it is smart to allow this kind of bracket. I move to have this established.

I found Sheik on youtube earlier today. I sent him the whole run down of what we have going on for our individual raids and im happy he decided to take part.

I do have a few thoughts tho, and these will really be important to making sure we have a comprehensive understanding on what we are constituting as a passable run.

1. If we are going to allow an Any% category within our individual raids, then we probably should consider putting a 100% also. I know that adding these increases the space needed on our speedrun section. But having a 100% and an Any% is undeniably the identity of this website. While Kara is a long instance, it is not much longer than Mount Hyjal or BT at 100%. Sure Kara's chess event is boring and monotonous, but there is a strategy there. If one of us nails it, we learn from that.

2. Timer must be present on screen. That is only so we have consistency amongst all runs. In sheiks video, he forces the game to disconnect, but how long did it take for him to come back? We cant really know since there is no timer running.

2a. This begs the question on whether a timer should be created during a run, or will allow after run timing. I know i have personally screwed up 3 runs on various raids by accidentally hitting my timer stop before the boss actually dies. It sucks, but i didnt want to compromise the integrity of the run.

3. Ultimately, there is nothing that a player can do, that another player cannot. If Vengence DH is the fastest class, for single raid boss sprints, then if i want to beat it, its time to level my DH. If having rocket boots is undeniably the best way to compete, then i have to pick up engineering. Which brings me to my final point....

4. PTR? Accepted? No one wants to compromise the identity or the work someone has done on their main. But if you can create the perfect speed run candidate on the PTR... then why shouldnt we. Whats the difference between Live/PTR when you have SM64 speedrunners using Japanese versions of the game so the RP at the start isnt counted. Plus ptr allows mutliple attempts per week :DDDDD

I would be very happy to fully nail down every rule with you guys. We can workshop it on skype/discord.

Welcome dude! FELLOW DRUID!!!!!!!!

Im eager to see your runs!

Thank you cdgexe,

I'm extremely happy to have these be a possiblity now. I have been wanting to do speedruns for games for a while, but i dont play any game as well as i play WoW. (That doesnt mean im amazing at wow) You have given me a fun outlet to work on as a personal improvement.

I eagerly await the competition between us all.

Geri0n