5:35 aint bad for a start. I still have 4 missions left of the main story, then of course all of the side stuff. I havent noticed anything yet except that it looks like sliding might be the fastest movement outside of a mount. run a few paces, sliding, roll as you slow down, and repeat. I should finish up the game tonight if not tomorrow and then I can be a bit more active in looking at some stuff.

also, why have no categories been set? maybe the mod has been asleep and out since the game page was made? speaking of categories, any% is obvious, and then I'm assuming "all quests" or "100%" for those that want a marathon of a run?

PS4 runs the game above 30 FPS, so some of the stuff is possible. check it out, cause you never know.

i disagree, i think you should beat mathias. vamp has a run up already that does that. perhaps when that was made they thought killing mathias triggered 100% but it's actually sooner

haha there does exist 100% of 2013, so that could be a starting place for you. and i totally forgot about that glitch

welp, looks like I was wrong... happy exp farming for those skills lol

i thought they DONT count towards 100%... as far as I know, 100% would be all challenges, challenge tombs, missions, and collectables on the ground, maps, caches, chests, etc. I could be wrong though

I made the timing rule for Cold Darkness to get consoles and PC on a similar playing field and runs can be compared, somewhat. since the load in here is just as long, let's see what happens on loading last checkpoint once we load in, and if that matches the opening lines, let's go with that, and your run will still be valid, I'll just time it based on the loading ending.

and when this DLC was released I said it wouldnt be a good speed run category... just need to discuss timing and what would be fair. Main game is from the menu, but Cold Darkness is after loading in and reloading checkpoint. I think since this category has an equally as long loading in, we may want to do something similar here. Im open to other ideas of course

gotta mash jump as it is a very tight window. you also need to be running the game at a higher FPS. I'm not sure what is needed to make this happen, but a later trick requires about 170 fps for consistency. Runners typically bind Jump to their mouse wheel to make this jump a little easier. the jump itself is possible at a lower FPS, but getting the distance to get OoB is what requires the higher fps

as long as you can get above 60, you should be able to do all the tricks. I'm pretty sure anyway. only the back scramble cant be done at lower fps

yeah, I think they said as long as you have your FPS on screen that shows a 100 fps cap

Initially that came from swimming. apparently the higher fps allowed you to swim a little faster, making a certain skip possible. to help put everyone on a more even playing field, it was decided that a 100 fps cap would be put into place.

I've toyed with that for a while but never found anything. with it I could get to areas on the map we aren't supposed to be, but it never lead to anything. as for other maps with a similar glitch, I havent found any. But this map may not be useful because of the route, but you never know

This falls into SR options that don't exist. it was asked by the community to have all difficulties for one mode (even though I disagree with it), but everything in the "level leaderboard" section is going to have those same options, so we cant set it up to have all difficulties for one mode and only the 2 for the others. This is why Gears 3 Beast Mode has it's own page, but the Gears 3 main page is still set up with the same issues we are talking about here. In my previous post, you'll see I'm against the constant changes to the page and I do not want to change it again until we know what people are going to run because we are changing it to this, and NO ONE is running the categories added. I honestly dont remember what all the layouts were here, because there were several revisions that happened since launch

My remark about you bitching is about the "hidden" runs that are in no way hidden at all.

I have nothing wrong with that since we cant edit the page to work the way we need. maybe in the future when SR gets updated we will have better options like that

Again, I support a consistent layout, with XBO being the current popular choice for full game any%, that gets the priority. That is just my opinion of course. The PC runs are NOT HIDDEN but are just categorized. Hidden would imply that you have to hunt down and find them, or are absent from public view. They are literally in a different category, and SR doesnt have a set up to view multiple categories at once. things CAN AND WILL certainly change in time, but we have one PC runner versus 3 XBO runners on the main campaign right now. and you are bitching about 1 runner on sub categories not being the priority viewing. SR doesnt have an option to go to the sub category with submissions instead. Should a group of PC runners come in, we can certainly change things, but right now, we are going to leave it the way it is. This should be about speedrunnning the game and pushing it's limits. the layout for this game has gone through FAR too many changes in my opinion. we need to STOP changing it, and focus in on what people are actually going to run and submit and not just what they "think" people would do. and what people WILL run should determine the layout. as for priority of what appears first, consistency on all pages, determined by the more popular category, which right now is the main campaign, with 3 XBO runners runs submitted.

Note that this is coming from a person who ran a game that has his run "hidden" on that page. even though there were more runners of my version originally AND i had the faster times, it was still "hidden". and the reason it was like that is because "PC's typically get priority" which is a dumb reason. Now there are more PC runners and the PC run is faster, so that layout it fine now in my opinion

as for a guide in a better location, I honestly dont think it matters too much. start a thread here about routing and post your thoughts on the potential improvements. saying that it being in the forums is a better place, then that really just says SR should get rid of the guide section all together or leave it just for guides on certain tech/skips. You could also make a guide yourself, and after mod reviews and talk in the community, we may leave both up, or replace the outdated route. That comment is really a criticism on SR then it is on our choice of setup. I think it would be nice to have a comment section on a guide

I wouldnt say PC is hidden, but separate I do agree. skipping cutscenes in different locations, load time difference, and FPS are the main reasons. while FPS sometimes doesnt mean anything, there are a number of games where there is a movement advantage to having higher FPS. Lara Croft and Guardian of Light limit you to 60 FPS, or Rise of the Tomb Raider at 100 FPS because of the movement advantage (although I'll admit Rise of the Tomb Raider is really just about swim speed). So to naturally put PC as a separate category makes sense, unless there is reasonable evidence to show that they are in fact relatively close to the same. Also with people adding in load removers, that is another reason for PC runs to have their own section

as for the guide, it's a starting location. while it may not be the best, we have to start somewhere. My first run of ReCore was well over 4 hours, and I had a route I was following. I've since cut that in half. For Gears 4, routing out by act seems logical, and we need a base line, and there it is. The first draft. Feel free to comment on it for updates and faster ideas and over time someone will update it, make a new one and slowly we work out a faster route for the entire game.

As for XBO having priority, I agree with this for now because we have more runners on that version. while different categories, like individual acts dont have many runs yet, I would argue that the entire page should be set up the same, with consoles in the same order. the more popular and common default run showing being the full game, with XBO as the popular console. should we get a few more PC runners (which would include myself if I decided to start running this), then that could change.

as for Normal and Hardcore, I missed the discussion about adding those, and personally think it should be casual and insane only, but there may have been a community demand for it that I missed.

linear games have routes. there can be multiple ways of getting from point A to point B. with enemies, a route can show that none need to be killed, or just 1 or 2, even 2 specific enemies. also, what order to kill enemies. there may be a specific path to take to avoid dialogue, tutorial boxes, etc. A route can also include what weapon to use when, to save ammo for a better one later or switch to a faster one temporarily. Even weapon placements in your inventory is part of a route for a run. Resident Evil 4 is the best example of all of these ideas that I can think of that has been optimized like crazy. There's only a few skips in this linear game, but there is still a specific route to use to save the most time. Super Mario Brothers has had the same "linear path" for years yet the route has slowly been improved.

As for Gears 4 routes, that is still a work in progress and that is the key in the word "current" as things will definitely change as new strategies and routes are found. I havent looked at it yet, and it could be a bad guide, i have no idea, but the idea of a "current optimum route" is still sound

I have added in a new rule in case the soft lock happens to you. if you are unsure of what the soft lock is, here's a link to it. to explain via text: The soft lock is that Victor will not go into ball form to allow you to instant extract him and finish the game. When you deplete his HP to 0, you get a Combo meter started as well as some experience. To ensure that the softlock has actually occured, I have added a rule that you must shoot him again, because after taking his HP to 0, your shots will now register a "RESIST" when you shoot him. From here he will constantly chase you down or the occasional minion spawn

Why didn't we have Console/PC as sub categories to begin with? lol