Currently we don't know of any significant advantages until it gets thoroughly tested. Even if there's basically none other than saving frames per cutscene skip (This is still an advantage that can lead to seconds saved), I'd still rather not allow it. The last thing this game needs is something that can open the door to more shenanigans exclusive to turbo like MGS2 has.

As was also mentioned, this game doesn't have a reason to allow it since there are no mandatory torture segments that people would struggle through, again like MGS2. You can skip cutscenes in this game with two different buttons ( Start and B ) so there are already mashing methods that aren't so hand/arm straining like vibration thanks to that, as well as just not mashing while the screens are still black so it saves you some energy.

Even if it's allowed, how would you even go about making it not a hassle to implement? Some of us still run the game even on emulator using official Nintendo controllers/adapters. I'm not about to go by a turbo controller, seek help with scripting nonsense to get my Gamecube controller to turbo on Dolphin, or relearn the game with an entirely different controller for easier turbo access.

I rather just leave this potential can of worms unopened.

PS2s are generally better than PS1s for speedrunning, however we don't really bother tracking which hardware was used. Unless we ask everyone that ever submitted, there's not much point. As far as I'm aware most runners used a PS2. It just wasn't tracked to begin with even back on MMRTA since it was never a big deal.

Hey everyone, sorry for being late to making these changes and not communicating much. Life's been busy. I'll be posting this thread in each game's respective forum so hopefully every runner sees it. If you don't feel like reading, there will be a quick summary at the bottom.

Anyway,

All three Xenosagas will be undergoing a timing change. I prefer to do things democratically, or do what the community in general wants. So after speaking to nearly everyone who has done a run and is still reachable to talk to in some way, starting from New Game was unanimously favored over starting time from Power On.

The timing end rules for English of each game will also be applied to Japanese. Existing times will be adjusted for the timing changes when I have more time to get that done. Or if I get volunteer(s) to help with that.

This is to avoid confusion and to keep things consistent across every version and every platform, as starting from Power On introduces very inconsistent time gains and losses before you even get to start the run proper, as well as English and Japanese being unnecessarily different. I understand why it started from Power On previously, for both old Japanese RTA traditions and to avoid cheating devices being used. However it should be easy to spot abnormally high crit/evade rates, unusual damage values, above average stats, etc. It was also strange to me that Xenosaga was the only series to hold onto Power On timing for English when Xenogears and Xenoblade do not. Again, for consistency and avoiding confusion. No one likes doing it either, at least everyone I've asked regarding this.

For Xenosaga 3 in particular, I am debating combining English and Japanese to the same board. There are only a handful of text boxes in the game that don't skip instantly that I don't see it worth keeping them split. Xenosaga 1 and 2 will remain split due to things exclusive to them such as Xenosaga 1's compatibility with the BB Unit, Xenosaga 1 Reloaded existing, and Xenosaga 2's early Erde Kaiser menu glitch, all of which are JP-only.

Before I do bother combining Japanese and English for Xenosaga 3 (If I do), the last question I need to ask the community is whether or not Turbo should be universally allowed or to remain Japanese-only due to the JP runs that already utilized it. I don't have much against Turbo but I don't want to make every decision if there are conflicting views on it.

I've also added Enel as a mod so that I'm not the only one. Never know when I may not be able to address run submissions and leaderboard stuff, so two mods minimum is good to have.

Summary: -Each game will start from New Game instead of Power On. -Japanese end time will be the same as English across each game. -Existing times will be adjusted for the new timing rules. -Xenosaga 3 may or may not combine the English and Japanese boards. -Should Turbo remain Japanese-only, or be universally allowed or banned? -Enel added as a mod.

Hey everyone, sorry for being late to making these changes and not communicating much. Life's been busy. I'll be posting this thread in each game's respective forum so hopefully every runner sees it. If you don't feel like reading, there will be a quick summary at the bottom.

Anyway,

All three Xenosagas will be undergoing a timing change. I prefer to do things democratically, or do what the community in general wants. So after speaking to nearly everyone who has done a run and is still reachable to talk to in some way, starting from New Game was unanimously favored over starting time from Power On.

The timing end rules for English of each game will also be applied to Japanese. Existing times will be adjusted for the timing changes when I have more time to get that done. Or if I get volunteer(s) to help with that.

This is to avoid confusion and to keep things consistent across every version and every platform, as starting from Power On introduces very inconsistent time gains and losses before you even get to start the run proper, as well as English and Japanese being unnecessarily different. I understand why it started from Power On previously, for both old Japanese RTA traditions and to avoid cheating devices being used. However it should be easy to spot abnormally high crit/evade rates, unusual damage values, above average stats, etc. It was also strange to me that Xenosaga was the only series to hold onto Power On timing for English when Xenogears and Xenoblade do not. Again, for consistency and avoiding confusion. No one likes doing it either, at least everyone I've asked regarding this.

For Xenosaga 3 in particular, I am debating combining English and Japanese to the same board. There are only a handful of text boxes in the game that don't skip instantly that I don't see it worth keeping them split. Xenosaga 1 and 2 will remain split due to things exclusive to them such as Xenosaga 1's compatibility with the BB Unit, Xenosaga 1 Reloaded existing, and Xenosaga 2's early Erde Kaiser menu glitch, all of which are JP-only.

Before I do bother combining Japanese and English for Xenosaga 3 (If I do), the last question I need to ask the community is whether or not Turbo should be universally allowed or to remain Japanese-only due to the JP runs that already utilized it. I don't have much against Turbo but I don't want to make every decision if there are conflicting views on it.

I've also added Enel as a mod so that I'm not the only one. Never know when I may not be able to address run submissions and leaderboard stuff, so two mods minimum is good to have.

Summary: -Each game will start from New Game instead of Power On. -Japanese end time will be the same as English across each game. -Existing times will be adjusted for the new timing rules. -Xenosaga 3 may or may not combine the English and Japanese boards. -Should Turbo remain Japanese-only, or be universally allowed or banned? -Enel added as a mod.

Hey everyone, sorry for being late to making these changes and not communicating much. Life's been busy. I'll be posting this thread in each game's respective forum so hopefully every runner sees it. If you don't feel like reading, there will be a quick summary at the bottom.

Anyway,

All three Xenosagas will be undergoing a timing change. I prefer to do things democratically, or do what the community in general wants. So after speaking to nearly everyone who has done a run and is still reachable to talk to in some way, starting from New Game was unanimously favored over starting time from Power On.

The timing end rules for English of each game will also be applied to Japanese. Existing times will be adjusted for the timing changes when I have more time to get that done. Or if I get volunteer(s) to help with that.

This is to avoid confusion and to keep things consistent across every version and every platform, as starting from Power On introduces very inconsistent time gains and losses before you even get to start the run proper, as well as English and Japanese being unnecessarily different. I understand why it started from Power On previously, for both old Japanese RTA traditions and to avoid cheating devices being used. However it should be easy to spot abnormally high crit/evade rates, unusual damage values, above average stats, etc. It was also strange to me that Xenosaga was the only series to hold onto Power On timing for English when Xenogears and Xenoblade do not. Again, for consistency and avoiding confusion. No one likes doing it either, at least everyone I've asked regarding this.

For Xenosaga 3 in particular, I am debating combining English and Japanese to the same board. There are only a handful of text boxes in the game that don't skip instantly that I don't see it worth keeping them split. Xenosaga 1 and 2 will remain split due to things exclusive to them such as Xenosaga 1's compatibility with the BB Unit, Xenosaga 1 Reloaded existing, and Xenosaga 2's early Erde Kaiser menu glitch, all of which are JP-only.

Before I do bother combining Japanese and English for Xenosaga 3 (If I do), the last question I need to ask the community is whether or not Turbo should be universally allowed or to remain Japanese-only due to the JP runs that already utilized it. I don't have much against Turbo but I don't want to make every decision if there are conflicting views on it.

I've also added Enel as a mod so that I'm not the only one. Never know when I may not be able to address run submissions and leaderboard stuff, so two mods minimum is good to have.

Summary: -Each game will start from New Game instead of Power On. -Japanese end time will be the same as English across each game. -Existing times will be adjusted for the new timing rules. -Xenosaga 3 may or may not combine the English and Japanese boards. -Should Turbo remain Japanese-only, or be universally allowed or banned? -Enel added as a mod.

Hey everyone, sorry for being late to making these changes and not communicating much. Life's been busy. I'll be posting this thread in each game's respective forum so hopefully every runner sees it. If you don't feel like reading, there will be a quick summary at the bottom.

Anyway,

All three Xenosagas will be undergoing a timing change. I prefer to do things democratically, or do what the community in general wants. So after speaking to nearly everyone who has done a run and is still reachable to talk to in some way, starting from New Game was unanimously favored over starting time from Power On.

The timing end rules for English of each game will also be applied to Japanese. Existing times will be adjusted for the timing changes when I have more time to get that done. Or if I get volunteer(s) to help with that.

This is to avoid confusion and to keep things consistent across every version and every platform, as starting from Power On introduces very inconsistent time gains and losses before you even get to start the run proper, as well as English and Japanese being unnecessarily different. I understand why it started from Power On previously, for both old Japanese RTA traditions and to avoid cheating devices being used. However it should be easy to spot abnormally high crit/evade rates, unusual damage values, above average stats, etc. It was also strange to me that Xenosaga was the only series to hold onto Power On timing for English when Xenogears and Xenoblade do not. Again, for consistency and avoiding confusion. No one likes doing it either, at least everyone I've asked regarding this.

For Xenosaga 3 in particular, I am debating combining English and Japanese to the same board. There are only a handful of text boxes in the game that don't skip instantly that I don't see it worth keeping them split. Xenosaga 1 and 2 will remain split due to things exclusive to them such as Xenosaga 1's compatibility with the BB Unit, Xenosaga 1 Reloaded existing, and Xenosaga 2's early Erde Kaiser menu glitch, all of which are JP-only.

Before I do bother combining Japanese and English for Xenosaga 3 (If I do), the last question I need to ask the community is whether or not Turbo should be universally allowed or to remain Japanese-only due to the JP runs that already utilized it. I don't have much against Turbo but I don't want to make every decision if there are conflicting views on it.

I've also added Enel as a mod so that I'm not the only one. Never know when I may not be able to address run submissions and leaderboard stuff, so two mods minimum is good to have.

Summary: -Each game will start from New Game instead of Power On. -Japanese end time will be the same as English across each game. -Existing times will be adjusted for the new timing rules. -Xenosaga 3 may or may not combine the English and Japanese boards. -Should Turbo remain Japanese-only, or be universally allowed or banned? -Enel added as a mod.

Alright, understandable. I'll revert the change here on this board. At the very least I updated Murphagator's run with a working video link, so it's still there as a learning tool.

I've now split XD and the original version, with XD being the default since it'll be most widely available. Feel free to submit runs!

I've also set the boards to use IGT to continue in line with Murphagator's run. But if we agree to use RTA instead, that's an easy change. From what I've noticed, IGT and RTA are almost identical if you include the time from beating the final boss to when the final save is done. IGT imo would be easier to use since it seems to be pretty stress free. For RTA I've been starting timer when pressing A after creating the save file and stopping it once the final boss dies. Any better ideas for RTA timing, I'm all ears.

I'd request a board to be honest. Looking through some remasters and remakes, the common thing seems to be that they're split, especially if the title is different. Some boards accommodate remakes/remasters, but not as many from what I'm seeing. That and a new board will have active staff that can make changes.

After some changes and reorganization, the server is now open to anyone who clicks this link: https://discord.gg/bTU2ASF8nW

If the link doesn't work or quits working, let me know.

Anyone with questions or wants to learn how to speedrun the games may go ahead and join.

After some changes and reorganization, the server is now open to anyone who clicks this link: https://discord.gg/bTU2ASF8nW

If the link doesn't work or quits working, let me know.

Anyone with questions or wants to learn how to speedrun the games may go ahead and join.

After some changes and reorganization, the server is now open to anyone who clicks this link: https://discord.gg/bTU2ASF8nW

If the link doesn't work or quits working, let me know.

Anyone with questions or wants to learn how to speedrun the games may go ahead and join.

After some changes and reorganization, the server is now open to anyone who clicks this link: https://discord.gg/Ft5q3Qh

If the link doesn't work or quits working, let me know.

Anyone with questions or wants to learn how to speedrun the games may go ahead and join.

For anyone wanting to learn the game, this video will have useful information on the route and strategies. The higher level runs don't always make clear what you need to be doing or looking out for, so hopefully this video will clear those things up.

If anyone has any questions not covered in the video, feel free to post here.

We haven't done testing for this game yet, but at the moment we've no reason to believe that emu shouldn't be allowed. Emu is hidden for MML1 because voiced text boxes and pause menus have a loading advantage, however for Tron Bonne you never have to deal with such things. The menus in the game are very automatic with how they behave before it even accepts player input, and text boxes behave very similarly.

So for now until testing is done, I'd say emu is allowed, but I'll update this post/thread later if I find any test results that would say otherwise.

No one I know has done much testing on the PSN versions to say for sure. Only thing to note was minor, that some colors on MML1 seemed to be rather pinkish, like some of the whites. lol

Since we use IGT for the leaderboards on here and MMRTA, they should be fine for speedrunning at least. I'd assume that they're fine otherwise.

How is the condition of your disc? This issue sounds like a combination of the disc being scratched or damaged, on top of the possibility of laser conditions with the consoles you've tried it on. I often see audio issues happening on MML2, but pretty much never MML1. If it's anything like MML2, it's either the disc, console laser, or both. If all of that is clean, then I'm honestly not sure.