Thanks for making that change!

Yeah it's getting like no time warp is the way to go, which is a shame because some levels are loooooooong without time warp

I can't see a way of changing the order in the options we have available for that category, but there must be a way of doing it, right? I'll take another look when I'm back at my PC in a couple of weeks unless weirdalex can work it out before then

I'm getting a bit lost in all of these messages to be honest, is this summary accurate?

-We want IGT to be the main category, with no time warp -Video quality 720p or above (done already I think?)

Thanks for making some edits weirdalex, feel free to update based on community feedback as previously mentioned if I don't get to it. Busy busy busy.

[quote]The rules do not ban the use of the mission editor.[/quote] I've fixed this in the main rules, but need to do a cleanup of the additional rules to point to the main ones

On saves: I can't think of a good way to implement saves to be honest. Everything I think of has too many holes for cheating: -Just record the last segment from load->end of game (So easy to manipulate) -Record the whole thing including every save and load (Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge files) -Stitch together a run with your best save/loads (tons of work to verify)

Easter eggs: I've added a variable (sub-category) to the first level for easter egg mode, which we can roll out to other relevant levels. The Easter Egg category is gone now

Category bloat: I think the main categories are covered and sub-catagories will solve most other problems (like new builds), but consolidating some of the categories and having sub-cats is viable too (e.g. merge RTA categories with Rift-jump only/100%/110% sub-cats). I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

Cheating: I like the 720p idea for additional verification, I'll add a main rule. Do .rec files hang around on a local PC after reset? If they do I'd consider not having to upload them but asking people to keep them available at mods request (keeps the barrier to entry low. Runs can be invalidated if they're fishy and .rec files cannot be produced).

On copying runs: Copying every input seems like it would be ridiculously hard - has anyone tried this? I'll look at some other deterministic games (e.g. trackmania) to see how they handled it.

On hardware wars: I don't know how to tackle this other than a no-time warp mode as default which was already suggested. Variables are easy to add and would solve this one too.

Lots of good points being made here! I'm on mobile right now but will respond next time I get to the computer.

I've been playing with variables and applied some rule changes. It looks like a lot of the things we're taking about here can be solved with rules and variables.

The one thing I'll say here before a lengthier response is that I'd like to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible while deterring cheaters as much as possible. We'll have to strike a balance.

For the start timing, my suggestion would be start the moment the level is done loading, or after closing the ADA but having a rule that you cannot do anything before that.

I didn't realise you could place units before closing the A.D.A window before today - I think having a rule that no units can be placed before ADA closes and time starts when ADA is closed is a good idea.

For the end timing keep it as is such that both RTA and IGT are counted from the moment rift jump is clicked.

I wonder if it's worth having the end of a run be when the post-game report is displayed? That way the IGT is final.

Great, love the ideas and thanks for clueing me in. I'll start some updates -please feel free to implement whatever I don't get round to quickly.

We're thinking of doing a 110% category for easter egg levels - stay tuned! The plan will be that 100% runs are just completing all listed objectives.

-I love the sound of 110%, it makes the perfectionist in me smile. -I almost made a full game category too, but couldn't see anyone making use of it, but in the end it's free to do so why not. -I think an MVerse category for farsite would be really interesting, but I don't know the limits on it (e.g. can you play with more than 2 players, would we want categories for each player above 2 etc.) -It would be cool to have a category for seeded/custom missions but I don't see a way of making that work unless seeds and custom missions get submitted to mods somehow?

I just have a few questions, which might just stem from ignorance on how speed run.com works:

-I made separate categories for IGT and RTA because I think they're interesting as separate disciplines. If they're the same category do you lose the ability to have a Victor for each method of play, or can you filter for both? -A lot of games demand OST to make cheating harder, and most people will use OBS to have it on a separate screen anyway, plus they're free, so I don't see the benefit of not having an OST. Thoughts?

I love the ideas. Do you have the relevant permissions to implement changes if we agree on a way forward or do I need to elevate you?