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i am no longer being removed for saying the cheater is a cheater? then you must speak with starsmiley! she wrote it was for it mainly!
Dear nasuper, learn to read.
Please stop bringing solo runs to co-op related issues maybe?
Pizza did not trick starsmiley, and Pizza is not a cheater.
You were removed for not listening to the community, not allowing the community to give input on decisions and silencing it upon there being backlash and you getting demoted afterwards (as clearly shown in this video), along other varied reasons:
You continuously going after pizza did not play as big of a role in it as you are making it out to seem.
The source of this experience is that you tried to reproduce an event without being sure of the factors involved.
As stated before, it is simply impossible to understand all the factors at play here, the game is over 10 years old, is known for having a huge desync issue pre-update 150 (the update meant to fix desync YET it still happens to this very day), and is built on a 22 year old engine meant for racing games.
When we carry out an experiment, we must also carry out a “control” experiment, that is to say, isolate a factor and therefore be able to conclude on its action.
We isolated the factor that you guys keep insisting on (mask-up interaction being finished before host can) and have very reliably produced evidence that, once again, if the host lags enough, as very clearly shown in the run you guys keep claiming was cheated, it will desync the clients from the host, allowing the clients to execute actions seemingly faster than usual.
On this video you keep calling "evidence of cheating", you can very clearly see that within the first 8 seconds of the video, the loading screen stutters a lot. This is known as lag.
Look at literally any other video related to Payday 2 whatsoever and you'll see that the loading screen is meant to be smooth and not stutter at all.
I'm just saying that your "experiment", as it's called, is worthless for the following reasons.
This is equal to saying your experiment is worthless because I said so.
Also, on another note, why go after only pizza for this? Your screenshot clearly shows everyone else is already masked up, and highlights everyone but pizza even.
nasuper, that run was purely experimental to prove that yes, if the host lags the client can do as many interacts as they want because they've loaded in.
It was never mentioned that it was the exact same, simply a proof of concept.
If anything, you're proving yourself wrong over and over again, will you ever realize that?
Also, you cannot simply count time based on lag.
You think I'm on your side.
I'm not, we are not the same.
The proof shown earlier in this thread clearly shows that if the host lags enough, they will load in slower than clients.
The run you sent is more than likely cheated, it is simply impossible to get a clear verdict on whether or not it was an incredibly odd occurrence, therefore it wasn't a verifiable run.
Not to mention, the whole thread has been mostly about Pizza cheating on a co-op run, and you bring out a solo run from a completely different person?
This still does not justify the fact nasuper's kept on claiming pizza was cheating, with irrefutable proof that proved otherwise.
Even after claiming that Pizzayumyum was a cheater, he still asked him to run with him!
Why would he do that and suddenly, the moment they get demoted from supermod, start heavily going after pizza?
That german guy was the biggest supporter of the community and he got removed for literally nothing.
I personally don't think that I'd call this behavior being the biggest supporter of the community upon there being the slightest bit of backlash, he deleted half the server, including all of the resources used for speedrunning!
Furthermore, addition of categories without any community input, the changing of rules without previous notice nor any announcements about it.
You're the one causing the damage by submitting 50+ of your old runs a day...
