The problem with subtracting average loading times is that the final time will not be accurate at all, as not every speedrun of this game would be close to the average loading times, especially with more than three types of loading the game could have (SSD, Digital, and Physical, and this is not including the variations of them). It's best to find a timing method that would take out loading times altogether or keep the loading times within the run as they are.

We all know the problem with the latter is that SSDs are obviously the best for short loading times, but not every person running the game can afford it in addition to a Digital copy of the game (which is an official release) and a Wii U in order to run the game to achieve the fastest possible time. And the only way to really subtract loads from speedruns of this game is likely an autosplitter or something that keeps track of the game time without the loads. It's a really huge dilemma in order to have everybody in the community to have equal ground when running this game.

Yes, you can play the game on Wii U in two ways, but what you're describing is on Wii mode. This is provided you have a physical copy of the game. Your save can be played through both the virtual console version and the Wii U's Wii Mode. However, this means it doesn't function the same way.

If you play the game on Wii U's Wii mode, you do not get the fast loads that the Wii U VC version provides, which is why the Wii U VC version is the fastest version of the game (and is also much cheaper than buying a physical copy of the game). The Wii U VC version though is the downloaded/digital version of the game played directly on your Wii U, so you get the faster loads from Wii U, not the Wii U emulating Wii Mode and emulating the slower Wii loads for Xenoblade Chronicles.

Digital loads faster than disc on loading times

Rhodechill - Why should it be banned? Just want to hear your reasoning behind it.

Alternatively, you can use the gamepad to instantly select Egg Cup without any of the scrolling or mashing through the menu. Simply you just touch the Egg Cup option and you're there.

I think in Quinn's PB run for 48 tracks Itemless, he actually quits out after the 16th track, in his case it's Rainbow Road (MK8), and then starts his 32 tracks from Moo Moo Meadows until Big Blue. Which ends up saving time skipping the results screen. I don't see it having much use for Items runs as you pretty much lose that timesave, but for Itemless runs it definitely should be worth doing that strat for 48 tracks.

But it ultimately really doesn't matter what order you do the tracks in, as long as you do them all once.

Recently I just made a discord server for people who are interested in doing speedruns of Code Lyoko games and so that everybody can interact and ask questions in a live chatroom. Just_Samu and I are also happy to answer questions there as well as here

https://discordapp.com/channels/160336611761061888/160336611761061888

I just have a Digital copy on my Wii U. No external SSD. It's really expensive over in Australia though, so I don't imagine getting one anytime soon. At the moment I just want to get a sub 1:37 for Items and see where I can take it from here

Problem is people can make up splits and times Vincent, and that's why only splits are not good enough to be accepted. You need video proof in order to show that you did not cheat or hack the game, you abided by the rules, and it reflects badly on the whole community if the WR time does not have video proof so that people can see what you did.

And if you are reacting to my thread requiring video proof, I only said top 5 times. Repeatedly. In that thread.

My issue is that there was an agreement made 8 months ago that there was video proof needed for top 5 times, and this was before I came into the Mario Kart 8 speedrunning scene, where I still only care about improving my time and getting the best I can possibly achieve through my own abilities.

Yes WR times need more proof than just a time, but when you have your own moderation team agreeing to something that happened 8 months ago and the moderation team does not reflect the agreement made between the community and the moderation team, this affects the mindsets of the runners who have been around back then who talked to the team and that they were happy to agree to this. I have provided proof of this agreement as well in the opening post of this thread, plus have provided reasons why accepting runs without video proof in the top 5 is a bad idea.

To blame me (and maybe other runners) who had that sort of mindset when going through the forum posts to triple check the rules and see if there were any extra requirements for this game is utterly disgusting and people in the moderation team have accepted times even though they are breaking this agreement and the members of this community have not been notified of this change. Let's get this straight, people's mindsets have been affected by that thread 8 months ago, not the other way around. I've been making a meticulous effort to make sure I stay on that VS. settings menu screen for long enough so that mods can see I've been sticking to the rules when I know I'm around the top 5 time or getting a top 5 time, otherwise I was afraid my run wouldn't be accepted because of those rules in place that I put time in researching.

I was talking about top 5 times should require video proof, not anybody outside those times, which was something people agreed upon 8 months ago when that thread was made. And recently two runs that claimed to have top 5 times, one in 150cc category, and one in 200cc, had been accepted by the moderators of this leaderboard without video proof, which shouldn't happen under that agreement.

I understand it's frustrating for people who don't have the means to capture or can't capture the entire run, but it's better to try to save up some money, invest in a capture card or any device that can record for longer periods of time before embarking on a run that might be lost, otherwise people are going to be very skeptical if you actually got the time you achieved.

Like I mentioned earlier, the run has to be done on Hard Mode CPU, and people who have provided video proof show the entry screen on VS mode because it's the only way that you can show you're abiding by the rules of the community. So by the mods accepting a time that's in the top 5 without video proof, it's actually frustrating for the runners who have proven they have abided by the ruleset, because they have invested in buying a capture card, spending time to improve their time and providing proof for the moderators to look over. I heard that 2 people in the top 5 who do want to improve their times, but now don't want to anymore because they don't trust the moderators are checking over the runs and are abiding by the agreement that was made 8 months ago.

And I feel like that trust has broken between me and the moderators as well, but I will still be submitting times in good faith the moderation team will be checking my run to see if I'm abiding by the rules in place. When I first ran this game back in September, I was under the belief that you need a video for a top 5 time because of this agreement, because it was the only way you can show that you've done the category with Hard Mode CPUs. That was my understanding which was how video proof worked.

Again, if I sound like I'm attacking the people running this, I apologise, but I don't believe it's your fault. I'm speaking up because the moderation team have broken an agreement that was made with the community 8 months ago, and broken trust between the community and the moderators does not reflect well with the community.

I wasn't there 8 months ago in the community, but I believed splits were mentioned. I think I just interpreted that part incorrectly when reading the thread.

I'm not sure why you responded to this considering you don't own or speedrun the game, but one of the rules that is that you have to do the category on Hard Mode CPU.

So let's say one person does a 32 track run at 150cc, and manages to get a decent time. However without video proof or a screenshot of the gameplay there is no proof whether the runner did a run with the Hard Mode CPU on. Which is why the runners who have top times show that VS mode screen as proof that they are sticking to the rules set out by the community.

So Videowiz brought up this 8 months ago - http://www.speedrun.com/mk8/thread/y36ov/1#x1f6h and it appeared that the community agreed for that to be a thing. And now it's happened again with 2 runs that have been accepted into the top 5 in 150cc and 200cc categories.

I believe the agreement that happened was if a runner had a top 5 time they had to show video proof, along with splits (either screenshoted or on the stream). I'm not attacking anybody, but I am concerned that if somebody beats the WR of either categories, and considering the two runs that have been accepted, we're going to have a WR on the leaderboards without video proof if the runner abides by the rules that were set.

So, I'm suggesting we need to have the video requirements uniform across all categories, so that everybody in the community is happy to abide by them

So with a Frantic Mode run being accepted recently I was curious to see how his Item RNG was compared to mine and the other top runners who have been using All Items.

Now I haven't ran with Frantic mode myself, but I believed it to be easier (and not accepted to submit here) than All Items because Frantic allows anybody to get any item that is helpful in first place. And it turns out it might be.

So while I was watching his run, I noticed the items he got in first place was triple green shells, triple bananas, one banana, a red shell, a green shell, coins, one mushroom and super horn. Most of that seems normal with the exception of the triple items. But during the run, he's getting mushrooms more frequently in Frantic Mode than what you get with just All Items.

I rarely get mushrooms during the course of my runs by using the All Items setting when I'm in first place, in fact the only times I've gotten mushrooms was during a run where I avoided a blue shell with it, and when I hit an item block in second place and got triple mushrooms in another. I don't know about the other runners' experience using All Items mode, but I have watched the top times and saw they rarely got any mushrooms while in first place. While the guy running with Frantic mode items has received several mushrooms on average once a track, and during Twisted Mansion he got two during the duration of that track alone. I haven't watched further, but I think the frequency of him gaining more mushrooms than the average run does concern me.

I don't mind him running Frantic Mode, but I do think it puts him at more of an advantage than the other runners because of the rate he gets mushrooms in first place because he's using Frantic Mode, while every other runner is using All Items mode and not getting as many. I'm bringing this up because when you have access to mushrooms it gives the runner access to more shortcuts, and because during Frantic mode you get mushrooms more frequently than a runner using All Items.

So what I'm saying is that his run should not be bunched in with the other runs. There has to be separate category for Frantic mode runs, or Frantic mode would be faster for speedruns of pretty much any category that allows items. Or since it isn't the main mode, it could be considered as part of a misc category.

EDIT: Just uploading two runs now, and checked the VS Mode ruleset, which says Frantic Mode runs isn't allowed http://prntscr.com/51s3yi

To Ilandria - Yes, DLC will still function as normal. I had access to everything the moment I first booted up my digital copy of the game.

I think you're missing the point entirely Obiyo, I started out using a physical copy of the game, and I even did speedrun attempts on it before I moved onto Digital. At the time I wasn't going for fastest times, just beating my own time until I was relatively close to Videowiz's time. Once I got my 1:42 in 48 tracks I moved on from physical to digital. What I'm saying is it's not the end of the world if you run on a slower copy of the game, but if you happen to be close enough to the top times you should make the switch from physical to digital.

Also Bazralian you should probably get your Wii U checked because you're the only person I know experiencing this problem.

So I believe I found a glitch in this game, but it's not beneficial but more of a PSA that this could happen on a run. Basically my character got stuck on a part of the track and I couldn't move for a minute until Lakitu picked me up. I'm not sure if it's happened to anybody before but I might as well ask.

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