About the Knife
6 years ago
Ceará, Brazil

I believe NG+ will be placed in the CE https://www.speedrun.com/re2remakece at least for now

United States

would abbreviating the 2nd categories as Claire 2/Leon 1 make them all fit on 1 row?

United Kingdom

it's keeps a lot more people happy, but i'd still say make it 60/120, or even 60/144 or something, variable can still cause problems in it's own way.

Sure you've got to be good to compete, but someone can be good, and then also have that super PC that will insta-kill bosses.

mackmcd e Scarfaceproduct ti piace questo
Sweden

@TrichaelMan the "(empty)" part will dissapear when runs come in. so it should all fit.

TrichaelMan piace questo
Arizona, USA

ya I can see these separate categories keeping at least most ppl happy, it's too bad we can't satisfy everyone's opinion with this but this is a good step

England

Variable already feels like its going to get plagued with 'Pay2Win' etc thrown at it. Happy with the 60fps cat, I'll run that as it feels fair.

edit: Also i get to play a game that doesn't look like a VHS copy of Dawn of The Dead me mam taped off the telly, lol.

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Horriblename piace questo
United Kingdom

You're speedrunning for speed, if you want to play in full HD glory, you play the game normally. Lord knows you're not looking at the scenery when you're barely in a room for 30 seconds.

I played all scenarios in full graphics first, i had my enjoyment, now I want to do it fast, VHS, Betamax, or even Commodore 64 graphics, they're irrelevant if it makes things go faster.

England

I think if there is going to be a 60fps cap there should be a rule to show FPS on screen during the run if that hasn’t been added already, good change tho imo

Florida, USA

Okay, so I get why people want the 60 FPS thing.

But I want to throw out my thoughts publicly on this:

  • Swap OoB to extended for NG+ at the very least. This is probably going to be very popular as a category and it'd be silly to have it hidden away. Look at RE7's leaderboards for NG and NG+. NG+ is hands down more active than NG. OOB is cute and fun, but it seems more fitting for an extended category rather than a core vanilla category, such as NG+, that's designed by the game developers to be a speedrun option.

  • Personally I would rather see the FPS be a filter rather than a different category all together. I've had mixed thoughts on this. Back and fourth. I see both sides of this. A filter is the best of both worlds. Want to compete with people at your framerate you can support? Apply the filter. Bam. Done. WR has "changed' and you're only seeing runs in your framerate. Less categories to sort through for the mods, and a filter is easy to apply as a viewer of the site.

Otherwise, if no filters are applied, the leaderboards may very well be the top runners having 120 FPS, and just below that there's a cutoff point that becomes 60 FPS. Making it obvious to visitors that there's a clear difference between the way the game runs. All runs are still there on the front page of the boards this way. Nobody is being "hidden" unless specifically done so by the site viewer.

  • I feel like there's things moderators of this series have shutdown for separate categories in the past that were more significant than a knife giving an 8 second edge. When comparing to RE7, for example, Cero D saves 30 SECONDS just from censored content. It's not a different category. It's a filter. And the world didn't end when it was setup that way.

These are my PERSONAL thoughts. I don't think I should weigh in anymore than anyone else in this community, but I do hope other members of the community consider these points. I'll stand behind the mods on the call they make, even if it's not what I exactly agree with, however.

With that said, here's an example of what I would personally make the leaderboards look like: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470636322827010059/540395940415275009/unknown.png

OoB and other meme stuff would go into extensions. Keep the main boards clean and easy. Filters are there as a function for a reason.

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XTerminator, Hoobie e 6 Altri ti piace questo
United States

New Game+ not being on the main board is silly. That category is all about going fast and will show the fastest times possible without using OoB. Not to mention, New Game+ is by far the most popular category is most RE games outside of the first 3. Variable and 60 is also silly. Speedrunning is a hobby and just like any hobby, you put money into it if you take it seriously. If those 7 seconds or whatever it is mean that much to you, time to upgrade. I get life doesn’t allow that sometimes, but that doesn’t change the fact that PC speedrunning is PC speedrunning. Powerful machines give the best times.

SirVoyaflex, Tanky e 4 Altri ti piace questo
Florida, USA

Things are looking alright but B? I get the nostalgIa to the name but this isn't RE2 OG. Anytime you create a category it should always be listed as its correct name being Leon 2nd and Claire 2nd in the games menu. This way there's a complete understanding for new RE players and old. I get that it's a common sense thing where to submit the run but you'd be suprised lol. I'd say stay as accurate as possible. :)

qvaku, StevenMayte, e Pessimism ti piace questo
England

Personally I think the board looks terrible, additional categories to please everyone is ok in the short term but long term it's just creating multiple dead categories.

Also like it or not New Game+ is a main category and it has been for a long time in RE so it 100% should be represented on the main board like it was originally.

I don't agree with this at all so if this is how it's gonna be I will gladly step down as a moderator and have no part in it.

RetroBrando piace questo
United Kingdom

Getting rid of NG+ on the main board is a big yikes imo, it was the most popular for RE7 and no doubt it will be popular for this game too. Sure the boards will change around a bunch in the coming days/weeks whilst things get settled but yeah, I don’t see why that’s considered worthy of a category extension.

United States

Personally think the board Toast shown is better and I did the A and B since it would fit on one line when I was designing it but if needed..it can be changed back to the "2nd" thing.The board as it stands does look awful and like a meme

CursedToast piace questo
England

60/variable FPS would be better as a variable instead of a sub category honestly, if they really have to be tracked separately that's the only way that makes sense to me

MASH e Pessimism ti piace questo
United Kingdom

For now it makes generally little sense to separate things out in the way they've been done. Like Ste said, a variable would be best to be able to at least discern runs done on differing framerates and if down the line it's entirely necessary to separate on framerate then it could be a thing. Long term it's a really bad decision, as Ste said. A lot of the people seriously concerned about this issue probably won't be around in a few months and although right now this appears to be the best decision it's gonna hurt the game in the long run.

My opinion was always a forced lock on 120fps (as in, anything below 120 is allowed, nothing above), and if people can't hit 120fps and lose time due to that then that's too bad. It's the nature of PC speedrunning in the end, and you should be well aware what you're getting yourself into before seriously competing. However, due to the fact Capcom didn't put any solid way in-game to cap framerate that can't happen.

Regarding NG+, i'm indifferent on it, but I can see how other's think NG+ will have more runners / be more actively involved in than OOB. Simply being because OOB, whilst it is cool and all to be able to clip out of bounds, will likely become a boring run.

It also means there's gonna be like... 4 stipulations per scenario for PC. Thats 4 scenarios on PC each with 4 categories within them making it 16 categories per each difficulty on PC. That means for PC alone then there is 32 categories currently. And that's not even counting NG+. Kappa

What I would do personally would be, variable for FPS, misc OOB for now, add New Game+, and potentially also misc. the 'B' scenarios. The B scenario thing could be argued though, after playing it though the changes are just so minimal in reality but I still feel they should be tracked just on principal. If any misc category is proven to actually be popular then it can be brought out and some adjustments can be made.

Modificato da l'autore 6 years ago
XTerminator, MikeWave, e StevenMayte ti piace questo
United States

It as a variable is fine or even something for someone to input themselves etc...Honestly, at this moment this board looks like shit and had a few people tell me that and I agree...it needs to be changed and adjusted ASAP

MASH piace questo
United States

Boards updated...it is a start and hopefully more adjustments can be made

Sweden

So we're doing CursedToast's idea?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/470636322827010059/540395940415275009/unknown.png

Framerate will be set as a variable and the true Any% (OoB) will be moved from the main board?

United Kingdom

I wouldn't say OOB has to be moved, just misc. it for now. If it proves to be popular, then it can be taken out.