An Analysis on Dapper_Scratcher
2 months ago

Using the same methods I used to catch sir_farcelot to analyze DapperScratcher, and I found quite a bit.

  1. She has submitted 4 TASed runs to speedrun.com:

    1. https://www.speedrun.com/Appel_Awakening_Scratch/runs/ydnrxvqm
    2. https://www.speedrun.com/Appel_Awakening_Scratch/runs/y229ow9y
    3. https://www.speedrun.com/absurdappel/runs/me0p4nqz
    4. https://www.speedrun.com/appel/runs/z1kl59wy
  2. Her full game run appears to be sped up by x1.01 as seen here:

I did the math, and the time before it was sped up would be about 3:53.84. This is a 1% speed up. This typically doesn’t happen.

  1. She hasn’t submitted many runs at all, so there is no way for me to know how skilled she is. This would normally be fine, but 3:51 is an insane time that would take many hours of grinding to achieve, and there is no footage of the grind other than her personal best? This is ridiculous. 
  2. Back in early 2024 basically every run was accepted because chicken was the only mod and they don’t seem to analyze runs very well, but now, I’m a mod, and I hate it when people make a TAS or splice together a run because that completely undermines the competitiveness of speedrunning.
  3. Somehow, DapperScratcher has managed to get all of her good runs on the first try, or at least she has never improved on a run she has submitted, and she has no obsolete runs. This is not how speedrunning works. You grind to improve and slowly work your way to the top. I have been grinding full game for years and have still not managed to get below 3:55, and you are telling me that DapperScratcher thought that her 3:51 was the first time worth submitting? This is insane, even a 4:0x is a good time, and there is now way you can get a 3:51 before getting any other good times.
  4. When you take a look at DapperScratcher’s runs, you see two clear types, some runs look almost perfect, and some runs look slightly above average. This is odd because if you can get one second away from the world record for one of the most competitive categories in Appel, you would think that you would submit more good runs and improve your bad runs, but DapperScratcher did not do this.
  5. DapperScratcher is very capable when it comes to TASing, she has many projects on her scratch profile that are just TASes. This means that she is very capable of TASing a full game run.

In conclusion, Dapper_Scratcher has cheated in the past, hasn’t shown enough game play at the skill level she claims to be at, and may have sped up her full game run, so we have decided to remove her run from the leaderboard.

Note that LionCoder and BringUpYourPost helped me find evidence.

bringupyourpost e LionCoder10 ti piace questo
Antarctica

Does it though? what is the average frame rate for full game runs? I would be interested in a comparison to other runs

United States

Wait, so if this is sped up, how is it over 3.5 seconds behind the 3.50? The game play doesn't appear comparably different (based on in game splits), so what gives? The lag can't be THAT bad, right?

speeeedy piace questo
Michigan, USA

This is some of the worst evidence I’ve ever seen for accusing someone of cheating.

First of all, rapid progression can happen due to not being happy with your times or just seriously putting that much time into the game and getting that good that quick. Ever heard of the perfectionist mindset? Second of all, you actually provided no proof for the “TASes” runs, other then “Oh this person is definitely Sir_Facelot!” Thirdly, the speeding up thing is actually terrible evidence. The timer in the video clearly starts a frame late.

It really sucks that this community is always undermining actually talented speedrunners for shit like this

speeeedy piace questo

@ScratchySpeedrunner I did not say that dapper is sir farcelot. I said that 4 of his run (the only actually good runs) had inputs after the end, proving that they were tased. I do not think that dapper is sir farcelot. Some other people think they might be the same, but I do not see any proof or any reason. This and the absence of any good non tassed gameplay or footage of the grind are the main red flags. Also, I didn't say anything about rapid progression? She only posted one run, so there wasn't any progression that she shared. Please tell me if there is anything else.

United States

@speeeedy Have you crossed refererenced other time intervals to make sure the speeding up is real, and not just the frame late timer start like @ScratchySpeedrunner is suggesting? Maybe in a longer level (like 7) it'd be more prevalent.

United States

Also, what did you mean by 4 of his run? Bc Dapper only has 1 rejected IL run due to tassing (the 13.566) as far as I'm aware, and calling it the only good run is a bit disingenuous. Like, are we no longer calling 24.96 level 4 or 13.56 level 9 good? And if you were referring to Sir_Farcelot, there's a lot more than 4, so more clarification on what you meant there would be nice

United States

Oh ignore my Tassed point, I missed that part. The part of "only good runs" still stands tho

@pi314 I linked the tasses runs. Most of them are in different appel versions.

Also, I tested level 1 and level 2 and both of them seemed to be slightly sped up by about 1.01x, however that point is not may main point. My main point is that bringupyourpost and I found many other runs of dapper's that were tassed, and believe that the full game run was as well.

United States

i just checked speedrun.com with 20 notifications holy yap

United States

I GOT 19

Is_bas piace questo
Antarctica

@ScratchySpeedrunner The evidence for DapperScratchers TASing those other levels are the inputs after the end.

Michigan, USA

@bringupyourpost I feel like there is another explanation for the extra inputs that hasn’t been found yet

Germany

@ScratchySpeedrunner I heavily doubt that, as it is the 4 runs posted here (and all the other tased runs) that have the extra inputs but no other “normal” run (just like a random level speedrun for example has them. Inputs always stop after reaching the flag, unless the replay code has somehow been modified, created and edited, etc., and the likely answer for that is tasing.

Sure, there could be another way, but the isolation (only specific speedruners) of these instances isnt something to ignore

Nobody's going to change their replay code just to stack evidence against them that they're cheating. So yeah the extra inputs are good proof against that, but as @ScratchySpeedrunner said, there might be another explanation for the extra inputs. (@speeeedy 's evidence isn't really evidence though, he basically just said that that person has 4 tased runs and 3:51 is a good time. like what)

also I got 17 messages from this like what

Antarctica

@SupaYoshiBro @ScratchySpeedrunner There isn't another explanation. This code sets the inputs to null if the player has won and it runs every frame. This is unreconcillable. I have tried to find another explanation but the task was fruitless

speeeedy e pi314 ti piace questo
United States

Wait... I can READ that code. Woah.

SupaYoshiBro piace questo
Germany

@speeeedy ik this isn't the top priority but I was looking at dappers full game run (I was also playing around on vidtimer.com) and have to point out that scratchy was right; the timer was just delayed, not sped up. its a very slight delay, like up to 0.2, but just pointing that out

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