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mad-_-bro6 years ago

Would this also include all skill points (except the 5 multiplayer SPs)?

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

That's nice, thanks. If I may suggest two more things:

  • The subcategories Solo and Co-op should be added together in the same way of the Endurance leaderboard where Solo/Co-op are filter options instead.
  • Hydron should be added as well because it's probably the most played defense mission overall.
benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

Okay, but it's of almost no use if I try to convince others to run this new category now because they're farming the new items in (Elite) Sanctuary Onslaught and it will take a lot of time until they are done with that.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

Good but still a bad point of time due to the upcoming big update. It would be more conducive to delay the test period until summer holidays begin because then more people will be active and extend the period to 2 or 3 months. If only 1 mission node will be available during that period it should be rather ODD than Belenus since it's more popular.

Edit: also whether a new category can stay or gets removed should not depend on my public relations and marketing ability.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

That's kinda discouraging and not beneficial for the popularity of a new category if it potentially gets removed so soon. Then there is a big update announced to come this week with a new Gamemode, Warframe & Weapons so I doubt many people will be interested in speedrunning for the next weeks. There should also be other nodes than Belenus like ODD and Hydron because they are a lot more popular and the category name should include the amount of waves for example "Defense Rush 20 Waves".

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

I think most people are saying "no more" after 20 waves, not because it gets too hard but because they got their C-Rotation reward and doing 40 waves for a 2nd one usually takes longer than doing 2x 20 waves. Many people would be interested in knowing how to complete 20 waves as fast as possible and therefore the competition should be brisk. Having an intermediate category of 60 waves is a good idea for people who don't know how to beat lvl 1000+ enemies when going for 100 waves. I'm unsure if it would be popular because a 60 waves run is neither short nor mentionably challenging but it's worth a try.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

So basically you are worried that there would be too many submissions for the 20 wave category than the moderators could handle? I'm not sure of that because only a very few people actually record and submit their runs here to begin with and after a few submissions the top times would already be quite tough to beat for many players so they won't even go through the hassle of recording and submitting their runs when they already know beforehand that it won't be enough for a top spot. In the end the number of submissions per time should turn out to be manageable. Anyway, if this really is such a potential problem then 40 waves would also be sufficiently short as a gateway category.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

I don't understand the problem with 20 waves being "too common" or "too easy". I mean how is doing the Planet Mercury not common or easy but it's the default category of the full-game leaderboard anyway. Same goes with pretty much every other category, most of them are easy and commonly played but once people try to speedrun them they are not easy anymore because beating the top speedrunners is usually a hard thing to do, regardless of the objective's difficulty. I also don't understand why 100 waves would ramp up "too high", aren't speedruns supposed to be challenging? The top runs in the Endurance Defense and Survival category reached enemy level 9999 or so but it's no problem for them because they used weapons/abilites where the damage scales with enemy health. Killing lvl ~1000 enemies at wave 100 isn't so hard with a proper squad, I've done it many times already.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

It's common yes, that's why I think it would increase the popularity of this category. Many people are doing 20 wave runs but not so many are actually speedrunning them with the fastest possible setups.

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

To make this category more popular it might help to introduce another category of this kind but with a lower wave count of let's say 20 waves, because that's much easier and doesn't require much of a time investment it would be like a gateway category for the 100 waves. (i will also add this to my post above)

benang: Warframe
mad-_-bro6 years ago

Hi, I was wondering why there is no category for 100 Waves Defense Speedruns including popular mission nodes like ODD, Belenus and perhaps 2 others like Hydron, Proteus (to cover the enemy factions). Are there already plans to create such a category? If not, I'd like to ask for it because I think it would be well-liked.

As for the rules: • Wave count must be 100 on the Mission Success Summary. • Time begins when the Mission is selected and ends on the first frame when the Mission Success screen appears.

The rest of the rules would be pretty much a copy-paste of the Endurance ruleset.

Edit: to make this category more popular it might help to introduce another category of this kind but with a lower wave count of let's say 20 waves, because that's much easier and doesn't require much of a time investment it would be like a gateway category for the 100 waves.

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