Hi hans_fm17,

I noticed that a lot of long standing rules were changed yesterday and I'm wondering if there was a discussion among the community first and if so, where that discussion took place. The rules that were in place before the changes yesterday were based on meetings, community feedback, and consensus among all of the runners over many years. Any changes to these rules should have been discussed and agreed upon first.

From what I can see, the main things that have been changed are:

• Duckstation was added as an acceptable emulator (which was previously strictly banned by the community)
• The time that the run starts was changed
• All runs have been re-timed

While we appreciate that you were willing to take over ownership of the game due to the other mods being inactive, all of the changes you made should be reverted as they do not represent the rules set by the community. We're happy to discuss this here in this SR board, or in the Tenchu Discord, which currently has over 140 members, but as a new moderator and new runner of Tenchu, you need to understand that you can't just make changes to the game like you did yesterday. The community needs to ALWAYS be a part of the discussion first.

That said, welcome to the Tenchu community and we look forward to hearing back from you.

Thanks,

NjNJA QK

Thanks! That fixed the problem.

Is there a setting that I change to only have one run per user show up in a category?

The issue right now is that I have a user who has 2 runs on a leaderboard because they ran the game first on normal, and then later on easy. Adding the difficulty was just supposed to be informational instead of actually effecting anything on the leaderboards. Am I missing a setting somewhere? It's been a few years since I initially set it up.

Nice! Most of the glitches and oobs from WoH were patched in RFD. I've never seen this one before.

I've been interested in speedrunning this game for a while, but there doesn't appear to be many rules that would make the game fair competition. No rules on start and stop times. No rules on what emulators can be used. All consoles and emulators are on the same leaderboards. Etc. I agree that IGT would be better than RTA.

A while back I had the 3 Shinobido games made into a series, but immediately after that I was removed from as mod from the series before I could update the logo and theme. Can someone add this logo to the Shinobido Series? No rush. If this is the wrong place to request this, can you point me in the right direction? Thanks!

Shinobido Series - https://www.speedrun.com/shinobido Logo - https://imgur.com/a/K4IVNjN

I've read through all of the old forums posts and I wanted to give my opinion as I plan on playing this game soon and I think the current leaders are somewhat restrictive and limiting. Note: This is just my opinion and I know this game is old, but since it was recently free on Xbox and Aragami 2 comes out next year, this game has a chance to gain some popularity and new submissions and I'm curious to see what people some up with.

I think the main issue is with v1.03b and the current categories. First, I think it's fair to say that the current pc version and all console players can't compete with the old and unpatched Aragami runs. This creates a big problem as new potential runners (such as myself) don't want to be forced to play on old patches (which btw is impossible for console players), just to have a decent time on the leaderboards.

No New Game categories? I'm curious why 🤔.

How do you time the runs for console? I've never used a plug-in or autosplitter in my lifesplit so I don't know if that's a PC only thing. I also don't see it in the resources tab, so I'm not sure where to get it from.

My suggestion would be to have 4 main categories at the top: Any%, Any% NG+, Any% Co-op, Any% NG+ Co-op. Create subcategories for Current patch and v1.03b.

There's still some fundamentals I need to learn, but it seems easy enough to speedrun. I figured out the very basics of the game in a couple hours (enough to at least finish a run). I'm going to experiment with items and ability combinations. I should probably learn the different enemy types too. It's a great game though. I've been following it since it was in alpha and I'm really glad to see someone brought it to speedrun.com (and I'm REALLY thankful I don't have to route the game from scratch😅).

I'm still a ways off from learning to speedrun this game (haven't even beat it casually yet), but I was really confused when I looked at the any% easy run. Stages 1-1 and 1-2 are totally different then the stages I got when I played on easy.

So then I looked at the any% normal run and 1-1 and 1-2 are also completely different than both what I got and the current any% easy run WR so how does this game work? Random stages or is it based on what you do in the previous stage? Maybe based on how long it takes you to beat the stage or what rank you get? I don't understand.

Just an fyi, I'm running version 1.1.0.0 of this game on pc which is the most up to date version of the game as of making this post.

Edit I downloaded the easy and normal runs and put them side by side with my video just doing a quick run from the title screen til the end of 1-2. Hope that's ok. As you can see, 1-0 is the same, but 1-1 and 1-2 are all different.

Same thing happened to me today. Unfortunate because I usually add themes, logos, and wallpapers to the games and series I mod, but less then 12 hours after it was added, I went to make changes and found out I no longer have access 😅. I understand though. It's access that could be easily abused.

Hey there. Just an update. The leaderboards were wiped a month ago (maybe a little longer), but as of this week, the boards are under new management. We've updated the rules and categories. Some of the old runs from months ago have been grandfathered back in, but unfortunately others (mainly those done with PCSX ReARMed and multi-segmented runs) have been permanently removed.

I. Video Evidence Requirements
- All submission require video evidence.
- Videos must have a permanently hosted link. If your video is no longer available, your run will become invalid and will be removed.
- You must not cover a significant portion of the gameplay screen. (example: your webcam covers the health bar)

II. Audio Requirements
- Must be able to clearly hear the gameplay audio

III. Timing Requirements
- The initial and final splits must be consistent with the timing rules of the specific category.
- Individual level runs are timed with the in-game timer.

IV. Region and Platform Specification Requirements
- Region and platform specification is mandatory.

V. Emulator Indication Requirements
- If an emulator was used, indication of that use is mandatory.
- Specify which emulator was used in the "Comment" submission section.
- Unless stated otherwise in the games rules, these are the allowed emulators:
  - For PS1 games: Mednafen, Beetle PSX, Beetle PSX HW, and BizHawk. 
  - For Wii games: Dolphin (latest release)
  - For PSP games: PPSSPP (Andriod version is banned)
  - For DS games:  DeSmuME 0.9.11
  - For PS2 games: PSCX2 (latest release)

VI. Grandfathered Submissions
- Any submission made prior to this rule set being implemented (August 23,2020) still holds a valid place on the leaderboards, even when the submission no longer meets the requirements.

VII. Cheating and Consequences
A submission is considered cheated when the player uses the following methods in the submission (unless allowed in the game or category rules):
- In-game cheat codes
- Manipulating the in-game timer
- Cheating devices, i.e. GameShark, Action Replay, Game Genie, etc.
- Any emulator-specific functions, i.e. save states, frame limiter, overclocking, etc.
- Tools to combine segments of runs or attempts
- Claiming a run by another player as their own
Any submission using such methods will be rejected or removed. If a player submits additional cheated runs, all of their runs will be removed from these leaderboards and, if they have runs on leaderboards outside of the Tenchu series, those leaderboard moderators will be contacted.

VIII. Rejection Appeal Allowance
- If you believe your run was unfairly rejected, you may appeal the rejection by messaging a leaderboard moderator privately.

Please add Rittai Ninja Katsugeki Tenchu: Shinobi Gaisen https://www.speedrun.com/rnk_tenchu_sg to the Tenchu Series https://www.speedrun.com/tenchu I'm super mod of both.

I'm going to lock this thread as the rules are being updated and will now be listed in the "View Rules" section of each category.

I made a Discord Channel for the Shinobido series. https://discord.gg/pG6WqrZ I thought it would be nice to have a place to discuss all 3 games. Seems like Shinobi games are starting to make a comeback. Ninja games will be next. 😉

I would like to be moderator of Rittai Ninja Katsugeki: Tenchu. The only moderator has been inactive for 2 months, I also have a run submission for this game that hasn't been approved. He hasn't been active on his Twitter since 2019 and both his YouTube and Twitch links are no longer available from his profile so I can't get in contact with him.

https://www.speedrun.com/rnk_tenchu

Awesome! I'll run some of the them this weekend. I've been curious to see which lord is the fastest to do missions for. I'm assuming Ichigo the fastest and Sadame is the slowest... but we'll see.

You're probably right. Most people say that although emulators can get really close, they'll never perfectly emulate the real console.

I think this is resolved. So from what I've seen in other videos and doing a little testing of my own, this is how it breaks down:

Real Time - This is simply how long it takes you from the time you in real time to beat the game from start to finish the game (specifically from the time you select your difficulty until the time you get the last hit on Gamuran). It's great to be able to see what you're getting in real time, but note that different load times affects this score so emulators would always have an advantage over consoles and therefor this shouldn't be used to determine what place you get on the leaderboards.

Final Results time - Apparently this has nothing to do with the current run. It shows the time from a previous save that's already on the memory. Why? No idea lol. Maybe it's showing the fastest playthrough on the memory card. Since I always use a new memory card with no previous save in every any% run, this is why my time is always 00:00:00.

In-Game time - This is shown once you save your game at the end of the run. I'm not exactly sure what the in-game time is keeping track of, but it likely pauses on load times and cut-scenes. This is why the IGT (In-Game Time) is usually shorter than RT (Real Time). Since load times are not included in this timer, there should be no differences between running on console or emulator and therefor this time is what should be used to determine where the run falls on the leaderboards. It is important to note though that you can't even see what your In-Game Time is at the end of the run unless you have a memory card inserted so don't speedrun this game without a memory card 😅

The leaderboards for Shinobido: Way of the Ninja is currently based off of In-Game Time so no further adjustments need to be made. 👍

That makes sense. I'll always show all 3 times on my speedrun attempts just in case.