Reject runs
1 year ago
Spain

Hi again! With the new rules, i will delete all runs and there's will be only one run (is in digital ps3 version, so it is fine) by now. Feel free to add new runs with these rules :D

United States
moonblazewolf
He/Him, They/Them
1 year ago

I am not actively running the game but it is on my radar. I am very concerned that you are deleting old runs without a thorough explanation as to why they are being disallowed. Do you know for certain they were using the incorrect emulators? Or did you just delete everything older than the rules change that you enacted?

Spain

I tested with a runner for accuracy between emulators, trust me, i test a lot and every emulator unless bizhawk gives different times between videos and the game itself. The only one that gives the exact time is bizhawk. So, the old runs are made with different emus that are faster than bizhawk, so it is impossible to calculate correctly. If they were slower, it will be different. I'm trying to make things as good as possible to be competitive, and i know that this decision can be controversial, but i'm sure this way is the best possible to make correct accuracy between runners. There aren't rules for this game for 6 years, also. I posted some days ago a new run of alisa story, so there you can see how the emu goes and compare with the original game (savokgear run), it is almost the same.

United States
moonblazewolf
He/Him, They/Them
1 year ago

My 2 cents as someone who moderates other games - there should be a publicly available accounting of your findings if you are deleting runs off the boards. Period. I am concerned about the fact you did all of this without showing your evidence. It makes me nervous as a potential runner of this game that the moderator made a rules change and removed runs from the leaderboards without demonstrating why they were not valid.

In addition, if you are saying Bizhawk emulates correctly, that evidence should be available somewhere too. This game is NOT hard to find and play on hardware, so if you are saying emulators are okay you need to be showing how they compare to playing on hardware.

I will add though, I appreciate the game getting some more active moderation. I just think if you went to all the work to verify all these old runs weren't valid, you should share it with everyone.

Diedit oleh penulis 1 year ago
Zenislav menyukai ini
Spain
  1. I see your point and I apologize for the inconvenients for rejected runs, but as i said, there are reasons to to this.

  2. You want demonstration? I have videos, but here we go, i will post here all the emulators i used and the difference: Press startand mash start button until it appears the name and surname of kazuki: Every emulator unless one makes different times: You choose the Savokgear run as reference, playing on PS3 (so, original game, digital or not): He enters the time around 2 seconds slower, but it has around 37 seconds to the point i said before. Saying this, the emulators tested are different cores on retroarch, epsxe and bizhawk, so there are 5 emulators. All cores on retroarch gives you LESS than this time (between 25/30 seconds) and it depends of your pc or if u use 2x disc, so you have to understand it is unaccurate comparing to the original game. I asked a runner of the game to make a test with me, because his runs are too fast (the game itself, too). I asked him to test bizhawk (Skip Frames to 0) and make a video for test, and voila, it is the same exact time as my runs (it has to be 36/37 seconds, as the original game). If you want the test video, i can posted here, but you have to believe that i tested a lot with this. I can't correct the everyone's runs basing on this, you have to comprehend i cannot calculate EVERY video and frames of every run. As I said, every run posted here unless savokgear was made with emus FASTER than this time, and everyone with different times. And think about it, there wasn't a single post since 6 years, there weren't any community or anything since Maelstrom told me to make me mod. If you're a new potential runner and you haven't post a run, what is the problem to do as rules said? It is only use a single one emu, like others games i run (Suikoden II, and bizhawk too) for everyone. But I apologize, as i said earlier, if i rejected runs too early. I rejected my own run too, I have to say. If you're not agree with this...well, maybe i will have to abandon this community of the game, because the only thing i want for this game and community is doing things the most accurate and fair possible.

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