Why not ban all macros?
10 months ago
Japan

I see in the rules that some macro use is allowed, but in my opinion the use of macros in this game is for personal enjoyment and not necessary in a speed run with a record.(DeepL)

Germany

Macro bindings are banned. You may use 3rd party tools to bind multiple buttons to a single action, but you may not bind a single button to multiple actions. Turbos are allowed.

If you mean with that to ban Turbo, I'd agree. Espacially in Unrestricted the use of Turbos would fully remove any resemblence of difficulty.

Though imo button multibinding like currently written is fully fine and just allows the use of more comfortable button configurations for different situations. I'd even personally say to allow just editing the input config file for re- and multibindings while still allowing 3rd party tools. From what I tested with Input config rebindings you still have the same or more restrictions as you'd have with 3rd party tools, e.g.:

  • Need to release the button you pressed to trigger the action (Some 3rd Party tools may allow any button mapped to a button be released to untrigger the button press).
  • Any Keyboard button will still be a keyboard input (Some Controller buttons are better, mainly the Menu Buttons which don't switch menus as keyboard buttons). 3rd Party tools can rebind keyboard to controller and controller to keyboard.
Diedit oleh penulis 10 months ago
Japan

I think the use of turbo is really not a good idea.

Regarding macrobinding, I think there was either a perception difficulty due to translation or a problem with my understanding of the text. Is it banned to complete multiple inputs with one button and allowed to complete another one input with one button? If so, there was no problem.

(DeepL)

United States
Super moderatorarcalena
She/Her, They/Them
10 months ago

On turbos, trash_lapras and I are of the opinion that mashing should not be a skill or a matter of difficulty. Turbos allow accessibility for people who are unable to mash for whatever reason, such as a disability. We know turbos can be a divisive issue, but we are choosing to take the hill of accessibility. Ultimately, this is just one (small) leaderboard for the game, and you are welcome to run the game to your best enjoyment.

side note: we're not even sure how fast you can turbo dialogue mashing considering doubling confirm+cancel/A+B is already pretty fast.

On macros, to be honest, neither of us are really familiar with them or third-party tools in general. We're both heavily involved in another speedrunning community and just copied that rule.

Japan

This is something I posted for fun and uses macros and turbo. (https://nico.ms/sm42309687)

Text reading is a turbo of the Enter key.

"Not the fastest downhill-ready dash" and aerial attack macros can be reproduced with speed-adjusted turbo.

These would be a great advantage.

(DeepL)

Germany

If Turbo would be used in Unrestricted, pressing 2 buttons at once will just kill any grounded boss.

This uses the Special Move from Scarlett Reaper, which can be immediately canceled, though having a slower turbo would also allow for Sword and Scythe base attack cancels, all either faster and / or more consistent then a human could reasonably get.

Having a restriction on turbo to at least not be as extreme for attack cancels seems like a base minimum.

United States
Super moderatorarcalena
She/Her, They/Them
10 months ago

Didn't realize turbo was that degenerate. If y'all are that firm on banning turbos, I'm fine with it. It's really only relevant in Unrestricted.

Japan

Will the rules be rewritten?

Incidentally, the wording of that rule might lead some people to recognize that aerial attack cancel turbo is not prohibited, even with restrictions.

(DeepL)

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