I want someone to help me out and break this route down to determine if it's faster or not. Please do not make fun of me lol BOB (2) - Bomb Clip and Island Hop Island Hop is like 22 - 21 seconds which is faster than King Whomp but slower than Fortress WF (5) - Owless Sub 13 / Wild Blue / Texture or OG Cannonless PSS (6) - 23 to 22 seconds long (WR is 21) CCM (8) - Ordinary Route BitDW (9) - Shigeru Cycle / Xiah Cycle / Tsukishima Cycle SSL (12) - Ordinary Route LLL (14) - Sidehop and Reds HMC (15) - Toad Star

Toad star wouldn't spawn mips

Oh right HMC (15) - Emergency Exit, probably slower idk If this route is slower idrc I just wanted to see if it was faster or not

It might be faster for the no LBLJ category but it also sounds probably harder

Well this route is not for beginners obviously. No LBLJ 16 Star Runners who go for the WR like for example, KANNO. KANNO is an experienced 0/1/16 Star Japanese Runner. He is really really good and currently holds the wr for 0 Star and No LBLJ 16 Star at the moment. He knows Instant LBLJ, Tama Pless, all those type of difficult strats. This route is mainly for top-level players who want a really good time and can do expert-level difficult strats.

I think it might be faster but a lot of risk for little time reward.

well, you could always reverse Toad Star and LLL lol

Idk how exactly faster this is from the current fastest no LBLJ route but the only way to figure out if this is faster or not is by making a comparison video. Other than that, there's no point in using this route if the time save is atleast 8 seconds or something like that @TheGaming100, that's a good idea. It actually might even make Mips Clip easier, if you come out of LLL with 15 stars. Mips is straight ahead of you.

This is certainly not faster. It's true that the individual stars you're talking about are faster than things like whomp king and fortress, but you're forgetting that it takes time to get to the courses and ESPECIALLY open star doors. getting to and entering BoB, CCM, Slide, and BitDW is unbelievably slower than LBLJ, and you'd certainly be better off just getting 7 stars in whomps for no LBLJ. Also, doing HMC before LLL loses time to castle movement, since you have to pass LLL to go to HMC from SSL. SSL to LLL to HMC is the fastest route.

Alright Thanks Bro, correct me if I'm wrong, this is the fastest No LBLJ route right? BOB (1) WF (6) CCM (8) BitDW (9) SSL (12) LLL (14) - Sidehop and Reds HMC (15) - Emergency Exit

Replacing King Whomp with Island Hop is probably faster for sure. Probably not worth it for most people but in no LBLJ, you go to BOB and WF anyways so I don't see why Island Hop wouldn't save time over King Whomp. None of this route is faster than LBLJ tho obviously

PSS and island hop are not fast vs both stars in WF. The average length of the stars are roughly the same between the two (island hop, pss OR whomp king, tower) however the door opening animation for the slide makes it slow. Trust me people have thought about this, also its technically faster to do the best wf100 route over going to ccm at all. This is a better conversation for category extensions, since were trying to "optimize" an already unoptimal route.

Seems legit. People probably should start running using that route. 😐

@alaris Your telling me Wf100 is faster than ccm (8) If you go for fastest cycle?

@alaris Your telling me Wf100 is faster than ccm (8) If you go for fastest cycle?

@alaris Your telling me Wf100 is faster than ccm (8) If you go for fastest cycle?

It is, also done in the 15:51 WR by Kanno. Check the video he goes for faster than all people in 70!

@Xahkai Yeah, it's probably faster only if you get the fastest cycle 'cause It saves like 2 seconds over entering cccm and doing wallkicks will work and lil' penguin lost

@Lilpuri yeah I’ve seen that run a lot lol. It’s just someone told me that they didn’t even know if that route is faster anymore for some reason idk. They said the route I said is faster