Both difficulties are pretty much the same run wise, the majority of the runners just grinded Okay way more, thats all.

i plan to run the game eventually and i disagree with this suggestion, a set route is totally different than a entire category. Regardless if you fight Ulv or Hoenir, the Ending is the same. You were thinking of Ending A btw

Yes, it looks too bright for me. Nothing to complain about the image itself or add besides that, maybe something more game related? like a stage background

Glichtless is self-explainatory in my opnion, is there any new strat people want to do on that cat? That might be considered glitch? Otherwise i don't see why the change. Not totally against it, just want to understand the point

SADX comunnity does something similar, and like you said, if it doesn't change the game physch itself, i dont see why not allow it. Im ok with it

I agree, a pool for it would be nice, are you going to include OOB or No-OOB on it Greez? Also there is still the option that people mentioned above to include the No Early Quests or something in the NMS side of things.

Also forgot to mention, the runs that SeaAverage and ogNdrahciR did on theyr any% normal vods are pretty much what i was looking for on this Cat, so thank you!

Looks like the "no early launch" is popular among us that run All Wisps already, so thats relief to say the least.

Gathering you guys opinions and my own, looks like so far the most desired one would be "All Wisps/Bosses No-OOB, No Early quests". JHobz point of it nullifying early launch already got my attention, since sentry jumping optimazation on the movement is far more interesting to me, along with the luma pools sequence break example (without fighting the boss early), also loved the hornbug argument by Phant where you can skip it to save time but come back to kill it later while Ori is stronger, could even do it on the way to Mouldwood for semi-optimal route since the closest shrine is right over there, fits the category, and makes even more options to play on it overall. At the moment, the mix of those is the most appealing to me.

I think this has huge potential to became a official category, i personally don't think that a NMS rule would be necessary if we go the no early quest mode, we could just add some specific Selected Restrictions as needed overtime, since Muffin had some really good points about it aswell and i agree with pretty much everything.

What you guys think? Give it some more time? In the meantime i'm already running this cat for fun too just fyi.

Thanks for the reply guys, and would love to hear from those runners you mentioned too Hobz, would appreciate if they give some voice to this thread.

In my personal opinion of the matter, i would love something along with "All Wisps/Bosses (so no beatle skip), no-OOB", its what i have been doing pretty much for fun too and having a blast, on the the difficulty topic, would separate for Easy, Normal and Hard as the others, so no problem there for me.

Also loved the "No Early Quests" that Hobz mentioned, would still allow some sort of sequence break on some areas like the example of Luma Pools, for routing freedom without skipping the main questline, that for me is the main purpose of the All Wisps category, but that would open the Early Launch discussion, with again, in my personal opinion, should be a special rule (i dont find it fun tbh), would be open to try it tho, if the majority wants it.

Hello yall, after some interest in the recent WotW discord, i would like to start a discussion thread for help making the "All Wisps" category a thing, here are some points.

Just to establish some basics, "All Wisps" would consist in getting all the 5 main wisps of the game (making them fuse into Seir), and then beating the game. Of course this is subject to change as all the propositions below, since thats the whole point of this topic, to discuss about this CAT overall.

First of All, we need runners (obviously), so please tell in the comments if you would/is interested in one of the following variants.

1- OOB and/or Glitched = Would consist in getting all the wisps using any "non intended" means necessary, skips, sequence breaks, glitches, wrong warps, flying thro planes etc.

2- No OOB = Would consist in getting all the wisps but never going "out of bounds" with Ori, skips and sequence breaks would be up to discussion. NOTE: if you became interested in this one, please tell us which one (skip, glitch etc) you think might be considered or not OOB and if it should be allowed.

3- NMS (No Major Skips) = Would consist in getting all the wisps but without doing as the name says, major skips, for example, sequence breaks or not fighting a boss main story boss/ warping out a escaping sequence would qualify as a major skip.

4- Fusion of other propositions together, example: "No-OOB NMS".

5- Other variants such as All Bosses or Glitchless (that would include banning sentry jumps).

Thats just the raw draft so we can start the discussion, please feel free to give opinions and share if you interested in participate of grounding the cats and rules for All Wisps!

Thank you for your attention in advance.