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GermanyZanon3 years ago

One thing I didn't know about that somebody mentioned to me in a discord DM was that there was a forum on SRC about the my situation.

Sorry, but that's yet another lie. Some people messaged him here with the thread, he has been @'d here, and some people mentioned it in youtube comments. You know, the ones he deleted. Doing "self-redemption" runs isn't gonna cut it, especially when the follow-up video is also hidden from the public.

@SRC Can you please actually enlighten us as to why you unbanned a known plagiarist when you have all the evidence in the world that you needed to ban and keep him banned?

Fun fact: He deleted Merl_'s comment where they ask him to please stop deleting his comments too.

Newsflash: you can't make amends for stealing by lying about what you did and by hiding your videos from the public.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

Indeed. We have literally no transparency in regards to the events that led to his unbanning, and everyone (including those who initially reported the wrongdoing) seemed to have been caught by surprise with that development.

All we know (because we can verify so) is that "the video" was uploaded on the 29th and he was unbanned on the 30th (Page 3 of this thread, user Garsh stated that), my guess is that he sent the video to someone whom is still yet to be known and they just lifted the ban. And that is potentially the biggest concern: if a site staff/mod/admin can be that easily swayed in order to lift a ban - also considering JayPin has a larger following compared to most other speedrunners -, the precedent it sets is both disgusting and concerning. And so far, complete radio silent from the site staff too.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

@Viper

  1. and 2. Yeah, some (not all, most likely the ones "in the know") did. This highlights the issue we have with SRC (which is partly related to this topic) that users get banned on a weekly basis (being nice here) for skirting leaderboard/site rules in several manners, but we (communities) never actually know who gets banned and why, because SRC cites privacy concerns. I always found that wrong because the communities directly affected know of the issue but the other thousands are completely unaware of it, which means they cannot take action to either clean up the boards or do their own investigations. As for "treated fairly", I don't think Jaypin is being fairly untreated - whereas I believe he is being rather unfair on the people he's accusing of backstabbing him, as well as the runner he stole runs from. He's been invited and asked multiple times to come over and clear up what he referred to as being "misunderstandings" within his video, the deletion of comments debunking his claims and many other points he neglected to adress in the aforementioned multimedia article. I cannot, however, agree with your assessment on this point:

" communities that 7H3 is banned in, Jaypin should be as well. Communities Jaypin is banned in, 7H3 should be banned in, if this makes sense, and users such as these. "

Which goes back to the point I made above: "some" communities did it. And chances are that 7H3 was never known in the Sonic Community, for example. The issue wasn't made public (ie like the situation with Dream). Although he was swiftly banned after he was found out, it is very fair to assume no one else knew of the ban, outside those communities who reported him and relayed the intel to other potentially affected communities where 7H3 had submitted to. Which leads to three issues SRC needs to address:

  • make all bans public (and if "privacy" is an issue, remove access to the users runs, remove all their social media. Although being "private" in a public forum, in a hobby that involves hundreds of thousands of people is a bit too hard...);

  • Give communities the ability to actually apply "community bans" to users as to avoid "recurring submissions";

  • Not reversing bans on people who were proven to be cheating, stealing or otherwise breaking any Community/Website rules (such as Targeted Harassment, Homophobia, Transphobia, Racism, etc);

  1. Being underage is a very relative thing. And banning someone for being "underage" (which is a very subjective concept, regardless), is wrong, especially considering how SRC most likely don't even know, remember or keep track of the reasons why they ban people (considering they lift bans so easily like they did with JayPin, I'd assume they didn't bother checking why he was banned in the first place). According to the site's guidelines, minimum age is 13. Whereas for SRC 13 isn't "underage" (for the purpose of speedrunning), the concept of "Underage" varies from country to country. In the US it can be anywhere between 16 and 21(?), some countries it's under 18, others under 14. What I do agree with is that users under the age of 18 should not have the option to display social media contacts, as a good effort to protect them, until they can somehow confirm their age. But that's a whole different issue. There are many ways to protect younger runners, barring them from the activity isn't one of them, and it's actually very unfair (especially considering there are some really talented runners under the age of 18).

  2. I agree wholeheartedly, I just brought it as an adjacent thing as food for thought, seeing it seems to be a rather interesting trend some runners with thousands of runs have.

EDIT: syntax. I can English, I swear.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

Just to clarify something, which I mentioned in a previous post: @Patrick_Barrett - speaking for myself, my point is not attacking people, but to question the ideas that are being brought forward, some of which are actually potentially harmful for the speedrunning community as a whole (read: "second chances"). The long posts I made can be annoying for some who have no patience, but the point of them is to make sure the actual information is put forward concisely and accurately. I'm not meaning to attack or offend anyone if I am replying to their points. I dislike waffling about, but I also dislike seeing wrong takes questioning actual facts that are there for anyone to see if they just take 5 minutes to go through the information that's been posted.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

... are you seriously comparing "being underage" with "stealing runs"? I very much doubt there is a random, sudden influx of under 13s registering and submitting runs into SRC.

Some of 7h3's runs were rejected after they were outed for plagiarising runs. It's up to each community to do so. Same with Jaypin's. Some communities have already removed these users' runs from their leaderboards due to the current circumstances. The fact all weren't removed can be due to several things, namely the fact that both users seem to have the same sort of approach to speedrunning which is finding empty boards, getting "free" world records and never caring about them again. And most likely some of these boards are dormant with no one active to moderate them, much less check on them. And this isn't even considering the fact that Jaypin himself is a moderator for 27 games, which is preposterous to even think about. But hey, let's have a look at them shall we then?

  • 3D Frogman - He's the solo mod and has the solo run. (17/Jun/19)
  • 3D Maze Man: Adventures in Winter Wonderland - Solo Mod, solo Run (21/Jun/19)
  • 3D Maze Man: Amazing Adventures - Solo Mod, Solo Run (15/Jun/19)
  • 3D Ms. Maze: Tropical Adventures - Solo Mod, Solo Run (21/Jun/19)
  • 3D Munch Man II - Solo Mod, Solo Run (17/Jun/19)
  • Backyard Basketball 2007 - Misc/Hotshot(GBA) WR run, (12/Dec/20) - 2 mods, 1 inactive for over 1 month;
  • Chuck E. Cheese's Sports Games - no runs, 2 mods, nearly empty boards.
  • Dig Dug Arrangement (2005) - Solo mod, 1 run (10/Mar/20)
  • Donkey Konga - 3 Mods, 1 run (WR - 14/Apr/18) - a game that no one touched since mid 2020 (1 run), after 2 years being stagnant: 1 mod is inactive since 2019, another for 4 months, the other for 6 months.
  • Galaga Arrangement (2005) - Solo Mod, 1 Run (28/Aug/20).
  • Intergalactic Exterminator - Solo Mod, 1 run (14/Mar/19)
  • Kurupoto: Cool Cool Stars - Solo Mod, 1 Run (28/Feb/19)
  • Namco Museum (GBA) - 2 mods, 2 runs (25/Apr/20 and 16/Feb/21) - 1 Mod inactive for over 1 year, the other for almost 2 months;
  • Nature Cat:Nature Cat's Adventure - no runs, 2 mods, which share mod duties in other games with Jaypin;
  • Odd Squad: Puppy Quest - no runs, same 2 mods as the above game; boards inactive for over a year.
  • Pac & Pal - 3 runs (all in 18/Apr/19) , 1 mod.
  • Sheep - 2 runs (19/Nov/18 and 16/Apr/19), 1 mod, who hasn't been active since mid 2018.
  • Silly Melee - 1 WR run (24/Mar/20) - 2 mods, 1 of which shares mod duties with Jaypin in Donkey Konga;
  • Space Invaders Extreme - Solo Mod, 1 Run (05/Sept/18) - dead boards
  • Spooky Castle: The Adventures of Kid Mystic - Solo Mod, 1 run (04/Aug/18) - dead boards.
  • Starflyers: Alien Space Chase - Solo Mod, 1 Run (27/Sep/20) - dead boards;
  • Sushi the Cat - 1 Run (21/Mar/2021) - 1 Mod.
  • The Adventures of Bouapha: Spooky Castle - Solo Mod, No Runs, the 2 existing runs were submitted on behalf of the runner, 2 years after the runner recorded them; Inactive since 2018;
  • The Muppets: On With The Show! - Solo Mod, 2 runs (28/Mar/17 and 25/Apr/18); board's dead for a year;
  • Trick'n Snowboarder - No runs, 2 mods - 1 inactive for at least 5 months;
  • Wild Kratts: Baby Animal Rescue! - 1 run (22/Oct/19) - 2 other mods, which share boards with him on 4 other games.
  • Wild Kratts: Creature Mobile - No Runs, same two mods previously referred.

Judging from the above data, you can easily tell that if no action was taken towards his runs, was either due to "friendshipism", Inactivity or just the subject not reaching the people who can take action. Now, I am not saying all these runs mentioned above are stolen. What I am saying is we can establish an interesting pattern here where most of these Jaypin runs are self verified, in barely active boards. Now I have looked into about 20, 25 runs, give or take(?). He has over 1500 runs to be looked into, in boards that are either dead, inactive or outright obscure. If anything you have a lot more to ask about here:

  • modfarming;
  • WR farming;

There's a lot to unpack here. There are other runners who get pointed and shamed at for being mods in many games or for only going for "free WRs" too. And as far as I know, Modfarming is still very much frowned upon. The point being: this is about Jaypin and making it known that Jaypin's runs should all be deemed questionable. If that means several communities will blacklist him, that means those communities do not want to take the risk of tainting their boards with his name on it. Why is that bad or how is that confusing?

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

You and Patrick separately advocated for a second chance, both echoed that he "changed" (so did a few others) and that he is sorry - and the pastes I posted also confirm that. And in all of your posts, not only it seems you completely skimmed over the actual facts, but you also outright ignored the important parts only to reiterate the same "he deserves a chance to prove he changed" narrative. The moment you say you want to give him a second chance for him to prove he changed, you're not providing a solution to anything. The problem at hand is that SRC sneakily unbanned a now-known plagiarist and did so without giving us a reason as to why - especially when the 4 videos he plagiarised are more than sufficient evidence to get him banned and keep him banned. And again, it's 4 runs. Out of over 1500. There is no feasible way everyone can verify whether all of those are legitimate or not, and the often standard procedure when someone is outed as a plagiarist is to treat all of their content as plagiarised, whether it is fair or not on them. Arguably, being "fair" towards someone who acted unfairly towards the people they stole from is not necessary any more. And before anyone has any funny ideas, no, I am not attacking you: I'm challenging your ideas, so if you think I am being aggressive, that is not my intent but if it comes across as such, that's on me and I am sorry. I don't like beating around the bush and being blunt with things like these is the best approach I can have.

One other thing: no one, absolutely no one is forbidding @Jaypin88 from talking, and saying otherwise not only is disingenuous, but it's also a lie. Once again, notice his video is unlisted, remember he lies about pretty much everything that is now public knowledge and easily fact-checkable in this thread. Merl_ invited him to come over a couple times, he deleted Merl_'s comment on youtube. I myself had a comment with a link to this thread being deleted too. All the interactions he has are either in private discord messages or in relevant, very specific discords where he tries to sway moderators with his copy-pasta - the very same paste-job (albeit loosely re-worded) someone posted in either page 6 or 7 of this thread. He is more than welcome to come over and talk here, in a public forum, and defend his position, instead of doing so in a semi-private video using borderline manipulative language and skewing the actual, factual truth like he did for half-an-hour.

The "measures to ensure he doesn't cheat again" were already in place: his ban was exactly that. Allowing him back and wanting known "problematic users" to have a label is a silly solution. Get caught breaking the rules, you're banned. Period. Why should rules be ignored / bent to favour wrong-doers when they were put in place exactly to punish those very same people? This, by itself, is going to set a precedent where anyone who was banned will try to pull off the same thing as Jaypin to get unbanned - which puts both the communities and the hobby as a whole at risk. No one who knowingly steals content and passes it as their own gets to have a "second chance" because they claim they have changed, yet they keep lying every time they open their mouths.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

@Kkntucara and @Patrick_Barrett https://i.imgur.com/ITrwN73.png https://i.imgur.com/3cZD1PK.png

Stop pretending you're impartial. Both of you have been pretending to be "neutral" all this time, but it seems that y'all are just here keeping tabs for Jaypin. Also please, both of you, actually read the god darn posts, because people have been posting evidence multiple times. If you feel this is going on "in circles", that's mostly because one of you two constantly wants to sweep things under the rug so you can defend your friend, when you know perfectly well he was and still is in the wrong. Stop that. He's already deleted comments on his video, how are you still defending him? Mind you, telling someone they're lying isn't harassment. So you, maybe, just maybe, need to learn the definition of words before using them.

If he really cared, he would've already man'd up and posted here - several people already linked him to this discussion, and this is an active enough thread that anyone can see it - and he would've actually apologised to people as he should've in the first place and he would've already cleared up why, how and who got him unbanned. So far all he did was making an unlisted video filled with lies and misconstrued facts, sent it to one of his cronies that seem to have some pull in SRC, get himself unbanned and keep you two little pawns trying to get this thread locked so the discussion surrounding it ends and he gets away scot-free.

So far, aside both of you random users coming here and defending him based on "people can change!" and "he needs a second chance because I say so!" all the while you seem to just post stuff without actually reading anything including the posts that are direct replies to yours, no one has been harassing, insulting or disparaging anyone. All that was said, so far was either memes in or out-of-context, people pointing out inaccuracies in all of Jaypin's statements in his video and his fantastic copy-paste skills, actual mods posting their side of the story - which Jaypin very casually "forgot" to mention while throwing them under the bus - or factually true statements based on the rest of the lies he's made up, his actions and his behaviour and lack of understanding of how serious plagiarism is. So please, I ask you: before you reply to anything else or before you continue on telling people he's innocent or that he didn't mean it or that his life did a 180 and now he's a changed person, do yourselves a favour: Read. The. Posts.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

@ActuallyElite Okay so what is a second chance in this case then?

  • Him stealing 1 more IL? Because he stole four, so technically he already blew 3 "second chances" in one go; or
  • Him stealing 4 more ILs, which would account for him "doing it again"?

I can't agree with that assessment, sorry. Plagiarism is one thing that you cannot prove you've "grown out of" and "became a better person" afterwards.

In regards to what @Garsh posted, I'll just leave this here: "The video I made was simply more than just a sincere apology" (...) " I can't express enough how much I apologize for re-uploading somebody's run" (...) I still didn't see or hear an apology: neither he apologised to the person he stole 4 (not 1, nor 2, 4!) whole videos from, but he also didn't apologise for his attitude as a whole. He also keeps on insisting that it happened in 2015. And once again it needs to be said: the videos he stole were from 2015 and were uploaded to his channel however many years ago he says they were. The submission of said videos were all done in 2019 - 2 years ago, not 4, not 5, not 6. 2. Which means that before he submitted them, he knew they weren't his and that it wasn't cool to do so, yet he went ahead and did it. And between the date he submitted them until the day he was caught, he had nearly 2 years to take them down.

And for a further point: having watched some of his livestreams, there is no doubt he is, at worst, a good runner and knows what he is doing - I don't think that was ever a point of contention. The problem that this brings up is that you can't excuse you plagiarising some with "but I can do it too." If you can do it yourself, why didn't you do it in the first place then?

If he "truly care(d)" about it and about that he's done something wrong only after being caught, that means that before it happened, he didn't care enough because it wasn't in the spotlight. He isn't apologising for his actions. He hasn't apologised at all, in fact, all he's done is saying he wants to apologise. And so far, everything he's said is along the lines of him apologising for the fact he was caught.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

Okay here's the thing about all of this, and this is specifically for the people arguing Jaypin "deserves" a second chance:

  1. it's an apology video where he doesn't even say sorry once for what he did. All he says is that he "seriously cares about this". Notice that he always refers to what he did (stealing a run, akin to plagiarism) as "the thing I have done."; He never once owns up and calls it what it is. Throughout the video he deflects the blame towards other things (his studies, people "out to get him", other factors external to him);
  2. the 4 runs that were caught were submitted in 2019 (and as far as I know, 2019 to 2021 isn't 6 years).
  3. he throws people under the bus that are unrelated to the whole situation. He makes claims that two specific people backstabbed and betrayed him (I'll get to this in a second) because they didn't "confront" him about "the thing" that he's done. "I'm not one to point fingers and tell who did this and who did that", and immediately points fingers and makes accusations and blatantly saying that the moderators are not to be trusted;
  4. he lies several times about both timelines and facts.
  5. The actual facts (posted in this thread over the past 2 or 3 pages) and whether he deserves a second chance.

Now point by point:

  1. The whole video from beginning to end: it's the staple fake apology video. A lot of "sighs", dismissive, vague language, skirting around the issue and not using proper nomenclature, setting a tone and a starting point for the "story" where he sets himself as the unsuspecting victim, name drop people in relevant positions in a way to both make his story seem like he is going against an "established hierarchy" that has everything against him. He also spends the entirety of the video saying that he "seriously cares" about speedrunning, that he "didn't sleep well since then", that this video is to truly show how much he "apologises" without even actually apologising. All he did was skirt around the issue, and saying something along the lines of that he "made this apology video" so that people know how much he "apologise(s) for the thing" he did. Never once he says he stole a run (which he did, in 4 different occasions), never once he calls it what it is: plagiarism. If you wrap everything together in a neat package that lasts about 30 minutes, the point of the video is "I am sorry I was caught." He waffles about a lot, claiming it came out of nowhere. And this is without even mentioning the fact that he keeps constantly trying to throw shade at everyone he "thinks" banned him - newsflash: series moderators cannot "ban" anyone. They can report (with evidence) and the site staff then do whatever they deem correct.

  2. The 4 runs (that are known of) were indeed submitted in 2019, not 6 years ago as he claims. And in one of the submissions (which @flyingfox posted the link to in Page 5 of this thread) he specifically says "Super old runs I did a few years ago". Not only he did not do those runs himself - and he knows this - but he also uploaded them in 2019, stating he had done so. This is already a lie on his behalf. So he can claim that he "didnt know at the time" or that he "uploaded the wrong video" or whichever excuses he can come up with, but in the end he stated it himself when he submitted the run. There is no excusing that. Stealing 1 run and passing it off as your one is already enough to damage one's credibility. Doing it 4 times does not warrant a "second chance".

  3. Notice he name drops several people. And he does so in order to get whoever watches the video (with no context to what actually happened) riled up and to start setting a precedent that the people he interacted with are not trustworthy. One of the people he mentions is Huds601: and all Huds did was apparently telling him something like "I don't know what's going on, might be better for you to contact someone else about it and clear it up" - most likely because he is an S3AIR category extensions mod, not a series mod, nor a series super mod, much less a Sonic CD 2011 related person. This already makes Jaypin's flimsy argument even worse. And him pointing fingers and accusations at Flying_Fox and Zurg is also pretty hilarious, considering that's what every person caught cheating resorts to doing - obviously you want to cast shade at the people whose names are more widely known, because they are the easier targets. Funny how that never works for them.

3.1 when he says no one confronted him, what the hell was he expecting? Did he seriously expect the people looking into to be like: "Hello Jaypin, hope you're doing well. Listen we found out that you stole a run, so we are messaging you to tell you that we are going to investigate it even further and we may have to report you to SR.C staff because as you know stealing is wrong. We just wanted to let you know and if you want to tell us more, feel free too. Oh and btw don't delete your videos, pretty please, as we need them as evidence. Much Love The Admin Team xoxo." Is he serious? Of course no one would tell him anything. The moment he knew he was banned, the first thing he did was to delete the runs in question (which unfortunately for him, they were already screencapped and most likely mirrored elsewhere to prevent this exact scenario).

  1. This has been touched in the other points. The fact he purposefully leaves out several details about the contacts he had with other people, the origin of those runs, the fact he throws several people's names under the bus while claiming several times he doesn't do that (which becomes a trend in that video: saying he isn't like X but does X things anyway).

  2. Go back and read the comments with the evidence which pretty much speaks volumes about the whole situation. If you think he deserves a second chance after being caught passing other people's work as his, lying about it, deleting the work after being caught, passive-aggressively casting shade at people he "thinks" are responsible, adding in a little jab at SRC's functions and completely avoiding discussing the issue as it is, then I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Filip Miucin (known plagiarist) is outright blacklisted from doing games journalism due to him being caught outright STEALING a Dead Cells review, word for word, same footage, and passing it as his own, while working for IGN. His apology video was 100% similar to JayPin's. Then people found over 20 videos of his were also stolen from other content creators. He made another apology video where he actually said sorry. He came back to do more games journalism thing and no one bought it. Why? Because he was caught doing something very wrong, and plagiarism is one of the very few things where there is no "coming back from". His trustworthiness was destroyed, much like Jaypin's. Also a second chance would imply this would be the first time Jaypin did such a thing. He did it 4 times, proven, and who knows how many of his 1600+ runs may fall under the same category.

So, no. Giving a second chance to a known plagiarist/run stealer/cheater sets a bad precedent. The fact he was unbanned has probably already opened the floodgates for other bad actors to request an unban under the same circumstances.

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GermanyZanon3 years ago

You mean the way we do with Hyper Tails (the flickies going off screen) or with Metal / Hyper metal due to his double jump giving him an extended hit box? As far as I know, that's not a glitch - the bosses in all levels have their hitboxes active even when they're off screen. I'm not a mod so I don't decide whether it is or not a glitch. I just personally think it isn't.

Another example is Big Arms with Hyper Metal, where you can get a couple extra hits on him off screen.

GermanyZanon3 years ago

Hey there.

As per the rules:

"All control and tweak settings are optional, except:

Debug Mode, Infinite Time, and Infinite Lives must be turned off
Big Arms must be set to on for all characters
Sandopolis Ghosts must be turned on"

Often if something is mandatory, restricted in some capacity or disallowed entirely, that's when it's mentioned / outlined in the rules specifically.

EDIT: I was made aware of the fact that the "AIR" layouts do offer you the option of using Tails' path in Death Egg Zone with other characters, (via the addition of a spring that prevents you from falling into a bottomless pit), which makes a bit of a difference in terms of routing.

I hope this answers your question :)

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GermanyZanon4 years ago

There are many valid reasons to be a moderator on a leaderboard but not having a run on that game:

  • series mod;
  • someone that has more time / technical know-how in regards to leaderboards to set stuff up and help moving things around when necessary;
  • actually verifying pending runs / helping with "workload".
  • someone that moderates a game that's similar to that one, be it due to being a fan-improvement (For example: Sonic The Hedgehog 3&Knuckles and Sonic 3:Angel Island Revisited) or an actual remake (Sonic the Hedgehog 1 and Sonic 1 2013).

You don't need to have runs on the leaderboard to know how to verify a game either. There are people who speedrun games but don't submit their runs to the leaderboards for many reasons - don't care about the competitive side of it, only do it for fun, etc. You can very much understand and know how to spot inconsistencies on someone's submitted video without ever running a game you mod for too, as well.

In these cases, most of them aren't people who "ask" to become moderators, but they're people who are asked if they want to moderate said games. Yes, mod farming is an issue. Yes, mod farming is a bad practice, but it is important to understand that not everyone that mods a game they don't run is a mod farmer - and jumping to conclusions in that regard is just as bad practice as begging to become a moderator for a game.

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GermanyZanon4 years ago

It can also be that some of the runs that get verified on the same day are verified by someone that watched them live, for instance. But yeah, generally and as mentioned before, shorter runs are easier and quicker to verify, this not to mention that mod availability is very relative too - it could very well be that your particular category isn't to the current active mods' knowledge. (Current active = the ones doing verification at the time of this post).

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GermanyZanon4 years ago

You don't need to have a run submitted to moderate a series. Being a series mod means that you are overseeing how a particular franchise's leaderboards are defined - even if you just run 1 of ??? games that franchise/series may have. And obviously most of the times, the series mods will be moderators for every game in that series, even if they don't run most of those games - that is to help with implementing changes in case any of the particular game's mods aren't available due to any circumstances.

Stuff like Mario, GTA, Sonic, LoZ, Pokemon, Minecraft, etc. Series that have a lot of fan-game-related leaderboards. Most of the time, the series mods are a list of people who either have knowledge of the games or manage the communities they're related to outside of SRC - be it discords, other forums or reddit (if applicable), or old (pre-Speedrun.com) locations where the leaderboards were once held along with their related communities

The point being: being a series moderator does not mean someone's mod farming. Neither does it mean that someone who mods / is a verifier for a number of games is automatically a mod farmer.

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GermanyZanon4 years ago

@OmniMitch The thread was created by your friend there, whom apparently has been spending his time attacking and harassing people privately, then feigning ignorance when that's brought up. This is behaviour they've had for a few years now, according to Bash Prime, all the way back in 2017, and I quote:

"He joined the Prime discord earlier this year for a really brief amount of time (like a day I think), demanding we open up a trifecta category/leaderboard for all 3 Prime games despite no one else being interested, (...), then was combative and had the audacity to call out several people for being "rude" all because he was told "no"."

This is, quite literally, what he is doing here. Which is something according to many other people, he's done a lot: demand a leaderboard/category: if he gets it, he abandons it. If he doesn't get it, he goes full 5 year old with a tantrum, then pretends he's the victim.

There is no "work to be done" here: your friend has no right to come to a community he's been banned from, make demands, insult people in both private and public fashion, drag the drama he started into a Twitch Stream he is a mod on, throw offensive remarks, twist the events in a way that benefits him and then say people are bullying him for extra karma points. He knows fully well he was banned and what for.

As for the "21 days policy", here's the thing that you two don't seem to understand, and here's the copy of what's in the site's rules:

"• Once you have submitted your run to a game on the site, please wait at least 14 days prior to contacting the moderators of the game regarding your run. • Game moderators are generally provided 21 days to handle a run submission. If the game moderators have logged into the site recently, please do not ask site staff prior to this. It is not a requirement for moderators to verify all runs every time they visit the site, we understand people have lives."

This is not a "they have to do it within 21 days " rule. This is a guideline, and no, you can't just have a "black-and-white template" on how to moderate a category/leaderboard that is meant to include several different games that in no way, shape or form will ever have someone that knows the runs, the routes, the innerworkings of each individual game involved. That's why each category under these leaderboards has its own moderators which also splits the workload as it should be.

Mods telling him "Yeah, when I can I will get it done" isn't an enforceable "legal contract" nor an agreement, nor a "deal" of any sort: it's a courtesy that they voluntarily choose to extend to users out of good will, and usually "normal" people will understand and wait, instead of constantly bombarding them with private messages full of snarky comments or derogatory terms, one of them outlined previously. Moderators, Verifiers, Supermods are doing this for free, volunteering their own personal time whenever they have any, and If your friend doesn't have a life of his own and doesn't want to understand how it works, too bad, but everyone else does and if he doesn't want to accept that he's in the wrong and acting like a tit while wanting to keep this drama he started while pretending "this is the mods' fault" and that "they should always be available 24/7" for him, then he needs to take a good look in the mirror, get his head out of his ass and grow up.

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GermanyZanon4 years ago

https://old.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/7gg63k/cwi_relays_are_scams_to_get_money_out_of_you_and/

Fancy seeing you here, Crisco. :>

EDIT: https://imgur.com/a/i8MSQ4K

Are you coming here to spread your fantastic mindset too? Get out.

GermanyZanon4 years ago

Have you paid Ben the 500 dollars you owe him, yet?

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GermanyZanon5 years ago

Don't think that's allowed, seeing all the "Alt Pokes" are Pokemon you can catch before reaching the second Gym - which is also stated in the rules that "the pokemon must be caught before defeating the second gym leader."

Point being you don't need to change the starters if you can easily get the Pokemon without resorting to it.

GermanyZanon5 years ago

Hey guys. Yeah, first of all congrats for the new WR Bowie!

As for the categories, I think that if you just rename the "game" "Shining Force III" and the categories are "Scenario 1 | Scenario 2 | Scenario 3", with "Scenario 2" and "Scenario 3" Having two sub categories: "Any% No Previous Data" and "Any% w/Continue" (with regards to using the previous game save data?) that'd probably be better.

Unsure, however, how feasible that would be. Everyone would need to either run the original Japanese Version or we'd all have to have the same Translation Patch - which could be provided in "Resources" - so that everyone would have the same starting point.

GermanyZanon5 years ago

Dark Cave in the Morning (Route 31), has a 5% encounter rate.

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