After hearing news of a possible TWEWY2 being announced in a few weeks, my interest in this game just came back. I just submitted a time of 5:00:53 (final fusion pin press at 4:47:08), IGT of 4h03. There are two things I'd like to discuss:

• I am requesting the real time listings to be changed to the moment that the final fusion pin is pressed, to sync it up with Final Remix. IGT can still be recorded at the save screen after the credit roll. The elapsed time after the final fusion pin should be 13:45, so if necessary, all real times should be rolled back by 13:45... with one exception.

• Herreteman's WR of 4:56:29 looks suspect. Why is the VOD 4:58:30? Upon closer inspection, Herreteman paused his timer at the beginning of W2D3. If you cut the video to exactly when the timer begins, and when the the final fusion pin is pressed, the length is 4:44:20. Add 13:45 to that and the real time should be 4:58:05.

Pausing the timer should not be allowed for this game. If you need to pause the game, your IGT won't increase, but the real time timer will. 5 hours is long, but still reasonable enough to play through to completion without any pausing required.

One other thing: At 2:15:25, Herretemen attempted to clear the Natural Puppy wall. He went into the menu to check brand trends. NP wasn't in the top 3, nor was it at the bottom. Somehow, Herretemen knew to do exactly a 1-chain here, even though the run calls for a 2-chain in this scenario. Then he didn't go into the menu to check brand trends again. Instead, he talked to the wall reaper directly and cleared it. (If you talk to the wall reaper and NP isn't #1, you waste time.) This also happened for W2D5 D+B wall: he did not check brand trends and somehow knew it was #1 after only a 1-chain.

When he did the Really Really Long A Thon in 2018, he played it safe, checked brand trends, and did a 2-chain because it was a live run (timestamp 2:20:15):

So this strikes me as very suspicious. This suggests to me that in the WR video, he knew NP was #4 and that he only needed to do a 1-chain. This could've been possible as a result of using emulator save states and rewinding. It is more suspicious due the "significant pause" between W2D2 and W2D3, which could suggest run splicing.

As for my run, I realize that my menuing needs to be better. I also had 8 deaths. (Submitted as 6 but counted 8 afterwards.) I think I got a bit too reckless for not using Cure Drink in W3, so I'll definitely do that in the future. Without the 8 deaths, I would've got the WR. I beat the WR split in 10/21 days. W2D3 was brutal: I was slower than the WR by 4:14, and I was behind the WR overall by 4:35. Even if I beat the WR, I won't be happy until I 0-death it.

Incorporating many of the ideas from FR into DS was key to improving Beat's week. I've squeezed as much money as possible out of the run. Though my budget through W2D6 (¥225K) is slightly less than the WR (¥230K), it's still very tight, and I've had to make concessions in order to afford certain equips. My run uses 3 Purple Sneaks (instead of 4), 2 Naraka (instead of 3), and 3 Green Warm-Ups (instead of 4). It's also a 0 Tektite run because farming Tektite takes too much time, and converting Rare Metal to Tektite costs ¥25K.

Sorry for the late reply, I'm bad at keeping up with SRC forums and just noticed it today because of the new thread notification I got. When I saw this earlier today I didn't have much time for a reply but now I've come back and see some extended accusations edited in, so I feel even more obligated to do them.

The WR is not spliced, but yes, I did take a small break during it. Honestly I didn't even remember I did but if it was brought up earlier I wouldn't have any problems with retiming. I've had incontinence problems for years now even when taking precautions, I have some stories of having to rush to the toilet during races (you can ask the A Link Between Worlds community, since I had to during a tournament) and that was also a case of that. I'm not embarrassed to say it, most of the time I try to do it during cutscenes but it's not easy when most cutscenes are an hour+ apart. In my 5:01:56 I even had to do it twice, as noted in the description: https://www.speedrun.com/twewy/run/7yljdx3m . Sub 5 was a good achievement so I probably didn't even think about including that in the description lmao. Point is, if you want me to add the pee break time, it's not a problem, although I'd rather not it's still sub 5 and I'm still proud of the run.

The brand walls are not spliced at all but it's harder to prove directly, I guess. The NP wall is simple, I tried to get a second frog in the chain (lower left) and failed miserably thanks to the small and wonky hitbox, so I tried to roll with it since it wouldn't be the first time it worked in one fight. The D+B wall was deliberately done in one fight because I always noticed it was easier to get and I was taking the risk in earlier attempts to cut some time, which is not too crazy since the D+B fights are significantly easier to manage and shorter than the NP fights, so if talking to the Reaper didn't work I could just go for another frog fight. I play on a day 1 3DS with a capture card modded in and not on emulator, even if I wanted to play on emu to give me an advantage this game is terrible there (and I've played it before with keyboard and mouse, many years ago), so that would suck to do.

I'm happy to provide any proof you want but honestly this is mostly your word against mine. As I said I'm ok retiming for the break but if that doesn't convince you that the run is legit then I'm sorry.

Now, since I originally wanted a more lighthearted reply, before reading the extra accusations...

The anime announcement and possible sequel on the horizon is also making me want to get back into this game and try to lower the WR, but I'm not well enough mentally or physically to grind any speedrun, even less a 5-hour RPG. I can barely manage to "survive" races from tournaments I'm helping organize.

I can't wait to improve my stamina and study your route/strats Gippy! Hopefully it'll be soon.

Thank you for responding to my post civilly. Transparent discussion about any techniques is one of the core principles of speedrunning. So I'm not angry or anything.

After reading your explanation, the 1-chain stuff for the brand walls is OK because it was a calculated risk. As for the pause issue, https://www.speedrun.com/moderationrules indicates that The time of the run is the time in the video from starting condition to ending condition. It is not the time shown on the timer program, which is started and ended with human error. Be aware that post-processing video can have minor effects on video framerates. This is a site-wide rule so that's why I had to bring up the timing issue.

One thing I probably didn't convey well in my post was that the WR video was likely never examined or scrutinized in detail, because nobody else watched it or brought it up. For this game specifically, I went out and bought a new $120 1080p webcam that could focus on both DS screens at once clearly. I had done a previous DS speedrun (Advance Wars 4) with a 480p webcam, but it only focused on the bottom screen. For TWEWY DS, I had the 480p webcam pointed at my face, and the run started with the DS boot screen. I wanted to leave absolutely zero room for doubt that my runs are legitimate. I think we both understand that a 5 hour speedrun requires many hours of planning and practice, and trust is extremely important. If I take the WR, I fully expect and welcome everyone to dissect my run, and I will respond to any suggestions or concerns to the best of my ability.

Basically, after I did my run, I looked at the WR video in order to see where I lost time and how I could improve. So when I put in the numbers, this is what I got:

I actually expect my W2 to be slower than the WR because there is more shopping in order to set up the Goth Bondage Coat and King Pendant shopping in W3. But I saw that I lost 4:14 on W2D3, which was almost the entire time difference. That's when I looked at the WR video and saw some funny things going on. Again, thank you for addressing all of my points. It's up to the community to decide whether your WR should be 4:56:29 (the current time), 4:44:20 (real time without credits), or 4:58:05 (real time with credits). Personally, I think you should change it to 4:44:20, as I think real times should end at the final fusion pin press. The other times should be adjusted accordingly as well. Win-win, your time becomes "lower" and everyone is happy!

Now that we discovered that the W2D5 DB wall can be 100% skipped, at least that bit won't come down to luck anymore. I figure if this run gets contested, it'll all come down to how many RNG reapers appear.

Best of luck with your stamina!

I went ahead and changed the WR time to 4:58:05 (sorry for the delay). I may be a little stubborn about the credits timing but atm removing it only really serves to lower everyone's time by default rather than being a substantial rule change. Maybe in the future we can revisit it and do a vote, even if it would be a pretty small one.

P.S.: I also edited the time on the Twitch highlight but for some reason descriptions for them don't show anywhere, so it'll be harder to get the retime context just from that

SR/FR times are ended by the final fusion pin press, so it should be the same for DS. The IGT can be recorded after the credits, just like how the IGT could be recorded after the credits in FR.

Currently I'm the only active DS runner, but there has been some interest in FR lately due to the anime announcement. The DS and FR runs are different due to the different mechanics, but I've incorporated into DS some of the FR strategies that we discovered. I feel syncing up the moment where DS and SR/FR ends would be appropriate, as it would show that we're all one community of runners.

Feel free to put it up to a vote, but I think having the timings be different between DS and SR/FR is a little silly.