The obvious categories are Any% and 100%.

Any% is easily defined as "start the raft cutscene".

100% is a bit trickier since you can explore and unlock stuff after the raft cutscene and there's a lot of hidden content. My suggestion is to define it as "Fill out the inventory, costume hut and extras menu and finish with the raft cutscene". This is quite a bit clumsier worded than "open every chest" but since there's a dummy chest and most of the last chests will only have yellow hearts in them they would feel quite arbitrary to collection rate. There is an argument for open every chest though in that this wording would make it so you have to access most of the content but I personally think that seems arbitrary. I'd love some input.

More arbitrary categories could include low%, reverse dungeon order, whatever%. The game is so open that you can run it however you want really. Bingo would probably be amazing if well balanced.

I believe that with the current route, low% and any% would be just about the same run. None of the items can be skipped, as dynamite, force rod, ice ring and chain are all required to solve their respective dungeons, and all dungeons have to be completed to access the final dungeon.

I suppose a valid low% would be to leave the dungeons that give items until last in the route, so you are completing as many dungeons as possible without any additional items. Reverse dungeon order would be pretty cool. A run with the super secret dungeon would be awesome too.

Any category could be done frogmode aswell for additional challenge of course. And yea low% often has that issue.

An "All dungeons" run could be interesting

Hundo is hard to define. Since to get all costumes you need to play as Jenny and go into the hidden dungeon. Jenny's easy since it's only a filename, and because of that shouldn't count towards it. But the hidden dungeon takes several minutes of just waiting to get into. For 1 boss fight which is really easy and gives a costume. IMO it should be Get all costumes but That Guy and Jenny, and finish all optional dungeons and end it at the raft.

Since those costumes aren't part of the hut I think my definition fixes that. And the jenny costume shouldnt matter as its a filename thing otherwise its impossible to get all costumes on one file with frogmode and jenny being a thing.

Hey don't have a lot of time those day, I put you all 3 moderator, I'll see later what you said :)

Since two costumes don't show up in the costume hut, maybe there could be a 101% route or something that includes ALL dungeons, including the secret stuff, and 100% just covers all shards, costumes, upgrades and Forbidden Key dungeon?

Frog isn't a costume. Jenny is a costume. So all costume would require to play as jenny. Anyway, any% and all dungeons is probably the 2 categories that will be. 100% Would be All dungeons with a long wait for a quick fight.

Why doesn't all dungeons include the "that guy" dungeon? And are you suggesting that there should be no category where you fill inventory and get costumes? A lot of games have 100% definitions based pn collection rate and skip parts of the game that dont coubt towards it. Ittle 1 is an example of that with skipping the halloween dungeon. Others include a bunch of zelda games amongst others.

Actually after some consideration your idea is somewhat ok Moonizz. I'm not a huge fan of skipping That Guy but it is a long wait. I like having filling out the inventory as a part of the definition aswell to get around having to open arbitrary chests.

Submitted an (awful) any% run with the modifications to Moon's route that I worked out. didn't want to verify my own run, though :P just wanted to get something up to get the route out there for people to see

So are we saying that All Dungeons is skipping ThatGuy dungeon? The name should probably be different but I'm going to do a run of that on our fundraiser going on at twitch.tv/elmagus on Wednesday 28th at 3:20PM CET

Since I got to route it, I'm going with all secret dungeons except ThatGuy. Filling out inventory feels arbitrary. So what I'll do is get all the secret shards and do the secret dungeons. Upgrading items will not be a thing either unless I feel like it'll speed up the route.

All Dungeons might aswell skip that guy if 100 skips it. Should pretty much be "complete d1-8 and s1-4".

Well if you do 100% then you should do everything. Which is why we have another category that doesn't include it. Which is now all dungeons.

With a lot of deaths, some forgotten things in the route. 1:48 was the end time. It's an easy sub 1:20, probably sub 1:10 with an okay run.

There is quite a bit of difference between all dungeons and hundo even if you skip that guy in both. It was you who suggested skipping him in the first place iirc.

Yes but since we have all dungeons and hundo now, hundo should do everything. And all dungeons just do 1-8 and s1-4 then end at raft.

Thanks for the any%, I can't wait to see a 100% speedrun ! =)