Colorado, USAOk, it's time that we were honest. This series has a lot of problems when it comes to speedrunning, and a lot of them are rooted in how we, as moderators and runners, are treating it. I think it's finally time that we listed some renovations that need to be done for this series as a whole.
This post might be a bit long, so if you want the TL;DR, take a look at the bottom of the post.
I'm going to start with some broader topics that apply to multiple games in the series.
First things first, load times need to be completely untimed in all categories of every game. Your performance as a runner shouldn't be determined by how good your computer is. I don't feel like this needs much explaining. If you've run FNaF World, you know how much of a difference this change made once we introduced it. It makes these games so much more enjoyable to run, take my word for it.
Second things second, all "Skip" runs (ex. FNaF 1's "Any%") need to be removed from the leaderboards. They're just... not interesting enough to warrant a spot. Most of them just include pressing the same three buttons five times, and then the game ends. If you're lucky, some of them might include .5s of menuing. That's it. There's no skill involved. I've run these categories. There's nothing to them. They're a waste of time to watch, a waste of time to run, and I'm sorry, but they're a waste of time to verify.
Given these changes, I think that FNaF 1, 2 and 4 should be mentioned. A good majority of the categories in these games depend on load times to have diversity in the runs, and some of the most popular categories in these games are the "Skip" runs that take about a minute to pull off. I would like to argue that, A.) Multiple runs having the same time isn't a problem, and it's not unheard of for a speedgame to have that predicament. And B.) I can guarantee that EricParker2007 doesn't care about his 88th place 2:53.3 FNaF 1 Any% run, where the majority of the time spent practicing was googling how to skip a night. Just because a category is POPULAR doesn't mean that it's any good or worth keeping, nor does it mean that any of the runners even care about their runs, because there was no work put into them. I've run these categories. They're just dull. In my eyes, removing load times and "Skip" categories is a much better alternative than just completely removing the games from SRC, or even worse, keeping them in their current form. And I'd be willing to bet that you agree.
Now, let's start getting into the narrower topics. I'm going to go game-by-game, talking about what changes need to be made.
Before we start, I'd like to point out that I am NOT going to be talking about FNaF 3, FNaF 4, FNaF SL, FFPS, UCN, FNaF VR or FIS 2. This is either because I understand the game well, and I know that there are no issues, or because I don't understand the game well, and I have no authority to talk about it.
FNaF 3 (Troll Game): I genuinely don't know why this is on the FNaF Series page. This game is just a parody of "There Is No Pause Button", so why don't we just take this game off of the series page, give it its own SRC leaderboard, and instead of making the runs for the troll game, make it for There Is No Pause Button.
I understand that copies of this game are hard to come by, but if we could include a download on the leaderboard, I don't see any problems.
FNaF World: Finally! A game I have authority to talk about!
The biggest change that needs to be made is that Unscrew, and other one-shotting moves, need to be either removed from all runs, or they need to have their own categories. Many people, including myself, have written extensively on this subject, but I'll paraphrase here:
Unscrew makes this game incredibly unfun. It's effectively just throwing yourself at a wall until you get the one run out of 2000 that finally goes through and is good enough to stand up to the other runs on the leaderboard. Other than that, it makes runs monotonous and entirely luck-based. No one wants to do it. It made me quit this game entirely for about two years. It's terrible.
On the other hand, as speedrunners, we have a duty to beat this game as fast as possible. And if that includes a 1/2000 chance for every boss you fight, we should at least give runners the option to use this method. But it also shouldn't be impossible to get a nice, shiny WR without using this method. This is why I suggest splitting all runs where Unscrew (And other one-shot moves) into their own separate categories, similar to Adventure and FP. Alternatively, we could also throw these categories into Category Extensions, and leave Unscrew-less runs on the main boards.
FNaF World Category Extensions: Typing this out got absurdly long, so I put it in a Google Doc. https://bit.ly/3nXN3qO
And, that's it! Let me know what you all think, and let's get to work!
TL;DR:
Skipping over FNaF 3, FNaF 4, FNaF SL, FFPS, UCN, FNaF VR and FIS 2.
FNaF 1: Remove Any%, 100% and 2-Star. Don't time load times in any run.
FNaF 2: Remove Any%, 2-Star, 3-Star and 100%. Don't time load times in any run.
FNaF World: Give Unscrew its own category in runs.
FNaF World Category Extensions: Replace some of the worse categories on this page with better ones, and redecorate the boards themselves.
FNaF Saga: Completely remove this from SRC.
Any%, 2-Star and 100% don't really bring much to the table. The latter two do provide a LITTLE menuing (but not much), and Any% is literally just who has the faster PC. These categories should probably be deleted.
However, this would come at the cost of deleting runs from some of our more popular categories. With that being said, I don't think the people that have run said categories (myself included) care too much about those runs.
Thoughts?
In the rules for 100% Skipless, it says "No skipping nights/dialogues/cutscenes". Nights are obviously unskippable, but why not cutscenes or dialogues? And/or what counts as a cutscene/dialogue?
Probably worth changing.
Trying to get into Enter Nether Set Seed, but I get an error code "a1dce528" whenever I try to launch version 1.1.
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Just a fun thought to add categories specifically for killing bosses as quickly as possible. Thought I'd like to hear your input.
If we were to do these IL's, I would say Unscrew shouldn't be allowed for obvious reasons (Similar as to why we don't have Pearl%.).
kbai
Hello :D
The current Miscellaneous categories (Highest Score, Highest Score No Powerups, 50/20 Best Time, and 50/20 Best Time No Powerups) don't really make sense being on this page. Highest Score (and No Powerups) can't really be timed. There isn't a set goal related to time, it's just a high score. You don't need to time anything, because every single run would be 4:30.0. 50/20 (and No Powerups) is even worse. You do time it, but instead of trying to get the shortest time possible, you are trying to get the longest time possible. Again, it's just a high score.
The other categories are endurance tests, and at least take a little bit of RNG or menuing. But the four I mentioned really... don't. Time starts when you start the night, and end when the night ends. Or, they aren't timed at all.
I know I'm a bit hard to understand in this, so let me explain what happened.
On Night 5 and 6, there is a possible time save if you reset the game as 6 AM chimes out. Then, you can skip the cutscene that would normally follow. (on night 5, go to night 6, and night 6 to custom night.)
Now, this trick only works on a NG+ file, as you would normally need to wait out the cutscene in order to get the menu option to trigger, whether it be Night 6 or CN. This is why I question it's legality.
Thanks, y'all ;D
~puppyguy9
As it currently stands, load times are currently not subtracted from 4th Glitch, considering it is so short. With that being said, I've been considering changing this. But before I (or another mod) does, what is your input on this subject?
Thanks, y'all ;D
~puppyguy9
If you weren't aware, you can get a guaranteed Music Man by spending 10 tokens in the Ballpit Tower (similar to using 10 tokens in Prize King gives you Funtime Chica. And before you ask, no, there is no way to get El Chip through a minigame. You HAVE to buy him.). I would like to question if this is worth the tokens, AND the time. Considering you get much more money from Prize King (5k or 15k), even though it is more spread out, it would seem more worth it to just buy Music Man, and not waste the tokens on it. You CAN get money from the Ballpit Tower (100 or 1k), but that pales in comparison to Prize King.
This needs testing, however. Think of it as a philosophy. Feedback is appreciated.
Thanks, y'all ;D
~puppyguy9
Ok. This is more something I wanted to point out out of sheer discussion. Obviously, the FFPS community is young. But I would like to set some groundwork for the perfect run (Which would be, at least at first, performed by a TAS.). One thing I would like to point out is Insanity. Fruit Punch Clown CAN be used to get Egg Baby on Night 1, but you have to jackpot every time. In a normal game, this takes a MASSIVE amount of time for all the children to gather into the jackpot zone. But, again, with the right RNG, it could be used to speed into the perfect run.
This thread is more a discussion, not only on the example above, but on other things that seem impossible that could be improved upon. To bring it to light. So, thoughts? Opinions? Objections? Jokes?
Thanks, y'all ;D
~puppyguy9
I've had some thoughts about what the best way to make money is. Here are my thoughts.
Carnival Hoops - Great for early game. Get this ASAP.
Gravity Vortex - Has potential, but is VEEEEERRRY difficult to get far in. Also, is very expensive, and has high liability risk. So, high risk, high reward.
Prize King - I believe this is the best way to get money in the game. While expensive, this has several amazing upsides. For example, it has, probably, the highest cash output in the game. It has a chance to provide either $5k, or $15k. On top of that, after you put 10 tokens in, you can get Funtime Chica. Another great source of money. It is very viable to get Prize King on Tuesday, and use all 10 of your tokens, getting Funtime Chica on Tuesday. If you ask me, that's pretty amazing.
Thoughts? Opinions? Jokes?
Hello there, fellow runner! If you are planning on posting a run of this game, please look at this guide before you do so. There are three main requirements to posting a run.
- You need video evidence. Screenshots of timers do not count.
- You need to make a full run. Do not create a run halfway and then stop. Finish it before you post.
- Make sure your run is legal. Make sure it follows all the rules given.
Happy running ;D
~Halo
Let's be honest. Our current Speedrun.com homepage needs some customization. So, I figured the best way to do it was to ask you all. What do you think we should add to the page? We can add a few things. Those being: -The Logo in the very top left of the screen, where it now says, "Speedrun.com" -The icon that symbolises 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place of a run. Right now, 1st - 3rd have a trophy of gold, silver, and bronze depending on the placing. -Colors in general. Text, menus, etc..
So, what are your suggestions? What should we use? Thanks, everyone :D
-puppyguy9
The FNaF World NuzLocke. A game idea I came up with about 7 months ago, and finally began testing recently, with the help of ZombieGabriel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ue4gM3nra0_6x41d-381Q) and SheppardKiller (https://www.youtube.com/user/sheppardkiller). Sheppard actually beat it, which is surprising (It's not really my place to be putting his video in my forum post, so I'll let him decide if he wants to share it. >v0). This is a very difficult speedrun category, and also a strange one. So, discuss. What should be changed? Kept the same? Talk about it. Reddit post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/5xqdgk/fnaf_world_the_nuzlocke/
I've never liked True 100%. It's not really True 100%, there are a few trophies that aren't included (Like the fan, for example.). So, I propose to you, "Ultimate 100%". Every trophy. Every Chip. Every Byte. Thoughts?
