SwedenHello Ninjastar and welcome to RF forums :)
Good question!
The two versions appear to look the same, but I dont know if there are differences or not. I know that ps2 has very horrible loading times compared to the pc. Perhaps ps4 suffers the same? Initially I would say a Ps4 run will fall under the ps2 category. It will just need to get renamed. If a difference is found later on, then it will need its own category, but those things can always be sorted out.
Looking forward to your run :)
Feel free to join our discord server that Homard linked above. Its easier for you to follow the progress of the game and the runs for it, as well as coming with your ideas etc!
Edit:
After reviewing some videos of the two versions, it does appear that the ps4 version has a lot quicker loading times than the ps2 version does, most likely due to hardware differences. The difference is way to large and it would not be fair to any future ps2 runners to run against ps4 runs, so a category for ps4 has been created. :)
1:49:20 is not close to wr brah. Kappa
On the column with Forums, Guides, Streams, etc just below Full-Game Leaderboard it says Level Leaderboard.
Training has been added. Rules being starting timing when you have control of Parker and stop it when you push the elevator button at the end. Thats how it looked like on your video, but please verify if otherwise :)
You should join the discord chat :)
Hello mKrawnis!
I don't think it is impossible but...
as of right now, I do not think there is interest in running the training. I don't think anyone has speedran it. However, I will see if there is interest for this, so maybe it could happen.
Do you have a time for it?
No idea, I would like to know as well :)
I didn't know you were here on speedrun.com, SuicideMachine :)
Thanks for making the auto splitter for RF, even if it was for Draqu_ in the first place, its very helpful for other RF runners such as myself! I kind of suspected that for the late splitting at the end. There should be something that tells the game that the bomb is finished, so it can start the final cinematic, but its probably a lot harder to find. My guess would be that the trigger is when you hit the final key for the last pattern. I don't know/or can read codes like these though and its just a wild guess from my part.
And yes, you are correct about the loads differing, if its been loaded before or not. I usually have to go through the same load once, sometimes twice, to "warm up" the loads.
I didn't think about using a hotkey to stop the auto splitter. That will work as well, at least for me. Some guy named SuicideMachine (doesn't sound worrying at all haha) made it. I have no idea who that might be but I was surprised that there was an auto splitter available for RF, and why not use it when there is one available. My guess is that nothing actually happens for 1.8's when you do finish the bomb even if you lose control of Parker, so the auto splitter had to use the last cinematic to stop the timer. I guess I'm a lazy young'in but the auto splitter is very convenient, times change ya old dinosaur ;)
As of right now, I have set my splits to be RTA, and the big timer as IGT, so both are tracked at the same time on screen.
Kotti, maybe thats because no one has submitted both times? What happens if both are added? Braydon's is without loads though so that one is correct at least. Braydon's RTA was 57:12.9 for that run, although that one is not his PB anymore, maybe he haven't just submitted the new time yet. My IGT stands at 55:00.9. I have no clue about Turntohard's IGT though, he never told me when I asked him about his IGT before.
Good arguments Kotti. Looks like its leaning more and more towards IGT afterall.
Some more: I looked it up and the autosplitter has an 1.8's delay from when you lose control of Parker until the timer stops. I suggest, when using the RF autosplitter, that we should subtract 1.5's from the final time. It's the same for both RTA and IGT. Not subtracting the whole 1.8 just ensures that we are not subtracting too much time, and also considering human reflexes to stop the timer on an actual run. Plus 1.5 is a solid number and makes the most sense :P
Yeah, having both will probably be the best. There really is no point in replacing rta with igt and I would not like that.
I would like to think that the loading themselves gets faster on a good machine :)
Figure out the loads would bring down the rta another 10ish seconds in my case seemingly. It's getting dangerously close to 54:xx rta being possible, so some more time savers and a "perfect" run...:P
Likely differences in hardware, my machine is not exactly "latest news" anymore. 9 seconds is indeed a lot. I know there are several games that use live split to pause the timer during the loading screen and have that as a set rule.
I guess we can see this both ways, as in: Your loading screens are slow due to your hardware sucks and you don't have the money to update it, tough luck bro. Or: You don't want to use free software (Livesplit) to time your run to know your in game time, tough luck bro.
Looking at it like that, common sense tells me that Livesplit in game time timer is the way to go. It just feels kind of shitty to "cheat" down the wr like that, but then again, it takes zero skill to watch a loading screen (which can be argued for the cut scenes as well, to bring down the wr even more, but cut scenes are constant unless you are stupid enough to run at a higher fps, unlike the loads).
Or just have two rankings... so both IGT and RTA gets credited.
Bringing this up for the timing: The autosplitter for RF stops the timer when the last cinematic starts, and not when you lose control of Parker. It's about 1.5s of an delay before the cinematic starts. I checked some older runs and they stop the timer when the bomb is finished... so I guess that is the way it should be. We just have to figure out exactly how much time there is between the lost control of Parker and the start of the cinematic, and it will be easy to subtract that from whatever the final time is.
My opinion about the fps: Use 55, since that's the highest fps that allows for proper cut scenes in the run. 56 and higher adds time to the cut scenes, and the difference is quite great (1.5 seconds extra on the capek death cut scene between 55 and 56 fps). If you want to avoid lag, run at a higher fps, but not allowed to switch the fps during a run or during cut scenes plus the time loss on the cut scenes adds in to your final time. Any fps changing during a run should disqualify it.
Sxnclair, Coffee Hero gains 9 seconds on me due to loads. That's a vast difference for this game. The loads themselves might not cost much individually, but since there are so many of them, they add up. I am kind of in the middle here, since I'm the one at a pretty heavy disadvantage, I should probably root for igt but I honestly don't like it either. The thing is, I don't like being dependent on Livesplit to know my in game time, since I do agree with what Duane is saying, and this is the way I've been trying to improve for since I started. Plus this is the way older runners timed their runs too. Two rankings could work though I guess even if it may seem excessive, or if it was possible, to display the in game time next to the rta time or whatever. If someone would have a better igt than someone else who has a better rta, the rta is the one that's being ranked higher, but displaying the igt would make it even for both players in a sense lol.
