Thanks for adressing your side of the story Outworld, but here i'll point out some stuff i disagree.
"The entire community was given the chance to have input into this situation for over 14 days on a forum posted in the MK speedrun forums. It got no replies."
My message was the last one posted there and i suggested to have some admin consulting for that kind of decision, seeing how tough it would be, you guys didn't even gave me a feedback with your thoughts about it, just deleted the thread and that's that.
"We also encouraged runners to be patient as we made changes & carefully took into consideration each individual runner & his/her circumstances Some left anyway."
Nope, things went bad top to bottom and you guys knew it, most of the runners left the community because of the new ruleset, i'm not saying it was 100% negative, it wasn't, i actually agree with the addition of more legitimacy methods, but the ruleset elaboration could've been better and the final result less stricted to many runners.
"At no point was one of us acting alone. So to pin this directly on one moderator is just not cricket."
Well, you were taking all the public actions, leaderboard changes and thoughts, besides TheKombatKing that got into this overall situation, maybe just twice and then left. I think most people here didn't get it yet, but this whole situation is not just about MK3 but the entire MK franchise (Except MK X), all this time i was gathering some info about your moderation that i'll talk about later.
"Now considering that the closest thing the mod team has to a legit time before the new rule set was applied that was not taken into suspicion was one of my own runs, they're the times that remained & yes i do see how that could look really shady to some but i have made more of an effort to legitimise my runs than any runner the mod team can name. Live input display included."
Your record there is like anybody elses record, the game with a timer and that's it, i would be more than happy to have you putting your proofs on the table and show that your record is indeed legit, it's easy to say "the mod team can name" once the best decision regarding the rules is made for everyone inside the team, they will always agree with you no matter what happens.
"Ask yourself. Should we have deleted all the existing runs & started fresh? How many runners would we have seen leave the boards then? We had to stop somewhere. It was the most logical decision."
If you are willing to make things fair for everyone then yes, at the time none of anyones runs met those exact requirements, the rules are the rules, it also applies to you even if you are a mod. It was pretty easy to reject my records on MK Trilogy due to a ruleset update several months ago, why wouldn't be now? This is what disencourage people, the fact that the rules affected some records but not all of them and those records that remained there didn't followed 100% of the ruleset.
"I will point out the runs that were chosen to be rejected had been submitted by runners that we as moderators contacted and encouraged to further legitimise."
I'll ask you to show any proofs about your statement, that you had in fact contacted those runners, and it's not just one or two, at the time was nearly dozens of runners submitting runs, so please do it.
"the runners pushed us to a limit as WR times were being submitted daily by runners that were brand new to the scene with absolutely no evidence of prior practice, communication with the community etc."
That's simply not true, two of the most affected runners were 'BySpeed', he is a National Champion of UMK3 and arguably the best competitive player in the world, and the other was 'ParallaxMKChille', which has more hours playing MK than all of us combined, both have been dedicating themselves on MK over nearly a decade and both grinded +3 hours every single day and submitted multiple records played on livestream, it was in fact a top tier competition there and if you don't believe me, just check their social media, it has years of content.
Now i'll be pointing out some weird things that happened during 2018 that regards Outworld's behavior:
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The runner 'HeatGaming' getting banned from MK Leaderboards for no apparent reason (https://imgur.com/tG1AQ7m).
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The attempt of preventing me from submitting future records to the leaderboard (https://imgur.com/x7ghA6j) and yes, i did a 30 minute long video to my people about this situation and as mentioned in the printscreen, i had allegedly made 'personal attacks' to Outworld, which i didn't. So if this is not an attempt of censorship over me then i don't know what it is.
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A sudden leaderboard change of Mortal Kombat Armageddon, that had my 1st place record splited from the rest with no explanation whatsoever, since the apparent reason for this was to have a subcategory between platforms, why Xbox and PS2 doesn't have their own? I'm feeling this was just to get me out of play.
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Accusing other runners of making use of TAS by mentioning them as "TAS Warriors", clearly referencing BySpeed and Parallax, with not a single proof of it (https://imgur.com/tG1AQ7m).
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I had a tutorial for Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks any% that i posted on the Guides Section of the game's leaderboard, hours after i realised it was not there and no one has the power to delete content of other people but the moderators themselves, and i know that TheKombatKing wouldn't do something like that. Even my wish of teaching speedrun is being denied.
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The refusal of approving my runs (MK Deception and MK Gold, i even had to post a forum thread requiring the verification) as they were left pending for weeks, while you were almost daily active here aproving other peoples runs, but left the job to TheKombatKing with mine ones, now i ask you, if you are going to moderate a leaderboard where you don't even bother to verify runs, what you are doing there then?
To conclude, i'm not here to just complain about everything, i would love to offer a plethora of suggestions in order to make the ruleset better for everyone, but i'm pretty sure i would not be heard just like i wasn't heard back in the day. I guess we can all agree that something is wrong with the MK mod team decisions, that's my leave.
Thank You!
Hello Everyone,
I'm Kromer, i've been speedrunning Mortal Kombat games the past 2~3 years (5 years involved with speedrun in general). Recently i experienced some moderation inactivity around this leaderboard, which encouraged me to request a spot in here. There will be a little bit of changes around here for the next few days (overall layout improvement and ruleset enhancement based on the community consulting). Any questions and concerns about me, my management methods or the leaderboard in general, don't hesitate to contact me, i'm daily active in speedrun.com and all my social media.
Thank You!
Question, what about emulator runs? allowed or any kind of restriction?
Put me as mod for this board, or just approve my pending run lol - https://www.speedrun.com/Mortal_Kombat_X
It has 2 moderators (cuboid9 and Shade667), cuboid9 is 1 year inactive, so i didn't even bother to contact him and Shade667 is inactive for about a month, i tried to contact him via Twitter almost a week ago and got no response, my run has been waiting for nearly 3 weeks to be verified. I guess i could be added as mod since i'm daily active here, thank you.
Just getting real quick into this situation, that's not the first time that MK moderators actions came to be questioned, i also had some grievances against their decisions and rule changes, as i had opened a thread several weeks ago where i called out the site admins and tried to explain the situation that was similar to this one, but everything just ended by itself, with no apparent solution since other people are also complaining about the same thing i was at the time. For in-depth information about this case, i'll leave a Pastebin file that contains the text of a Discord PM i've sent to Pac at the time that all happened, he couldn't do anything about it, but i don't blame him, i actually thank him for having the time to at least reply the message:
Note: The file is 100% intact with not a single word changed and the MK Forum Thread linked on the Pastebin file is no longer available since the moderators erased it, but may be accessible to the admins.
HD (High Definition) Consoles - All those who supports quality higher than 480p, usually post 2008 consoles. SD (Standard Definition) Consoles - All Retro/Classic/Old video games, prior seventh generation consoles in general that supports 480p resolution or less.
List of HD and SD Consoles for RE4:
HD Consoles:
Playstation 4 Playstation 3 Xbox One Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii Nintendo WiiU
SD Consoles:
GameCube Nintendo Playstation 2
Never knew about that, would be nice if you could record it then link the video here.
As i mentioned earlier, there are many different platforms and each one of them has their own features, so it's definetely not the case to compare someone who grinds hard on PS4 to someone on X360, and the same goes for every single platform that the game is available. For example, it's not fair for me to bust my ass grinding PS2 ver. and meanwhile someone gets a faster IGT on GCN just because of exclusive glitches/skips and loading times.
Problem is there is no way to time the run w/o loads on Console, plus there are many different platforms, so one way or another, it's a mess to just keep the way it is.
Oh boy, Jackie Chan Stuntmaster (PS1) for sure, amazing game, very challenging and impressive to watch speedruns of it.
Open Season - an amazing adventure game, estimated time takes less than an hour and it doesn't require any overlord skills to pull off great times.
GTA Vice City Chaos Mod (Hard) in 05:17:XX, it was fun, it was insane
Autoscrollers such as Starfox, it's not a bad game but oh boy it's a meme to speedruns.
I don't see this new ruleset being beneficial for anyone but the moderators, since it scares out even honest runners and already made many of them to quit using the leaderboards, i'm not saying it's unfair, i'm just saying it's too much of a changer, most people don't have conditions to livestream but still want to compete. Also, if some records were removed after the rules were applied, then all runs should be removed aswell, because none of them meet 100% the requirement of legitimacy based on new rules, some of them were made live, but still don't have the INP file required as the rule itself states: "In order to qualify for a top time, you MUST be running on Wolfmame & an inp recording must be submitted". Anyway, i still hope for at least a Full Moderator to take a look at this situation.
Thanks for your feedback @Komrade !
Hello,
Long story short, in the past few days, the Mortal Kombat Series moderators made some ruleset changes for some of the MK games (MK1, MK2, MK3, UMK3, and Trilogy) and i believe those changes doesn't really fit to the 100% solution of the problem by seeing the amount of divided opinions and controversies. Some of the moderators have suspicions on submitted runs and just decided to reject them with no real proof of cheating, but only based on this new ruleset that also implicated into some of the records being removed/rejected after those rules were applied. It would be nice to have an administrator to address this situation.
You can see in details here: https://www.speedrun.com/mk/thread/ba9a7
Thanks for your attention!