Cave Story+
- "Other" Subcategory renamed to "Classic".
- Game Rules have been consolidated in the "Game Rules" tab.
- The Konami Code was discovered in CS+ Switch. It has been banned in runs.
- Emulators being banned is now explicitly stated in the rules.
- Ther autosplitter has been updated to fix a bug where the timer would start when the title screen music was changed.
Cave Story 3D
- Rule changes in CS3D
- View thread here: https://www.speedrun.com/cs3d/thread/njyl3
That's all the changes for now. Keep running, keep smiling :)
I felt that an in depth explanation into the ruling on Sand Pit would be good for future-proofing the board. (I won't be around forever.) Sand Pit runs that are not played on Switch are not currently valid due, in part, to a lack of information. It is unknown to what degree the challenge has been changed to accommodate playability on other platforms. The aspect ratio is different, but if that were the only difference, then it would be silly to ban file-ripped runs. Things such as enemy movement, collision, and interactions aren't well-documented, so it's reasonable to presume that they could be different as well. Of course, if the differences are subtle and insignificant, then there would be no reason to disallow file-ripping. However, the loading of Sand Pit into other platforms requires modification of the game files, which isn't allowed under standard ruling. There was an idea to add PC as a subcategory to allow for non-Switch runs, but there isn't a demand or a need for such a thing.
So, until the challenge has proven to be, more or less, functionally identical to the Switch port on other versions, the ruling will stand.
Glad there's a thread on this. What happens in regards to Ep 1-3 and Ep 1-4 categories? Do you need to have a demo for each episode, or just a video?
As of 1/17/2020 the Time Attack Challenges have been moved from ILs to a subgame board, found here: https://www.speedrun.com/cave_story_time_attack_challenges All runs from ILs have been migrated over.
The CS3D board has undergone some changes as well. For specifics, follow this link: https://www.speedrun.com/cs3d/thread/sbab4
For those unaware, an autosplitter and practice saves for PC ports were added some time ago. Please see the 'Resources' tab for download links.
That's all for now. Take it easy.
All Time Attack Challenges from Cave Story+ have been added.
Freeware Hell runs are open for submission. 'Minimal Items' runs are not open for submission, as there are too few runs to warrant the addition at this time and there is no demand for it. Non-stop Boss Rush has not been added as it is not normally accessible, and there is no demand for it. Sand Pit runs on versions other than Switch are not permitted due to the inability to assess the level of modification to the game files.
In regards to automatically submitted runs: All runs from the ILs board on the CS+ leaderboard have been migrated over. Only first and second place will be added to begin. If you are a runner that has had their run automatically submitted, and you wish it to be removed, or would like to tie your account to it, please let me know. First and Second place are based on what has been found. Some heavy digging was involved. For a comprehensive list of runs that have been found, view this doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xuWOvEy5FqtYF_f_WSH2FB_OMxnzO0eyay99Z9ndT78/edit?usp=sharing
Well, it's not like anybody is informed when a video is deleted, so probably not.
I was spooked. Can delete this thread.
Yes. Let's torture the mods to make them retime all the thousands of speedruns. Excellent idea! :D
Gave some thought to rules for the run. Think it might be helpful to those whom are interested in trying.
This is what I would expect to see in a 'View Rules' tab:
Reopen the game before starting a run. Timing starts when selecting the menu option that starts the game ("Start Game" on Steam, "Single Player" on Switch). BE: Timing ends when Quote gets on the Sky Dragon. NE: Timing ends when the HUD disappears when jumping off the island after Undead Core BestE: Timing ends on the cut to the floating island after defeating Ballos. Turbo is not allowed. Category Requirements: Beat the game, picking up only required items. Required items include:
- Polar Star
- Fireball
- Blade
- Silver Pendant
- Arthur's Key
- Keycard
- Santa's Key
- Jellyfish Juice
- Charcoal
- Rusted Key
- Gum Key
- Gum Base
- Bomb
- Dogs
- Clinic Key
- Cure-All
- Tow Rope (Best Ending Only)
- Air Tank
- Either Booster v0.8 or v2.0
- Alien Medal (forced due to health limitations)
- Teleporter Room Key
- Sue's Letter
- Mimiga Mask
- Sprinklers
- Itoh's Controller
- Mushroom Badge, Ma Pignon, and Iron Bond (Best Ending Only)
Picking up additional items, such as life capsules, missiles, or Life Pots is not permitted.
If we subcategorized MI to sit alongside the difficulties, we would need to split MI into two subcategories, MI and Easy-MI. The reason for this is that Easy Mode on Minimal Items would be different due to taking half damage and enemies having half their health. Normal/Hard runs would essentially be the same as there is no such change.
In regards to what @golderzoa said, if we were to add the category at all, the runs themselves would be impressive enough that putting them into misc. would be a crime. It's not a meme category. MI is definitely something we would want to display up front, simply due to the skill and dedication the runs would take. All that being said, I still don't think it should be added to any board.
@thunderzap7
I agree that useless items such as Ogre Medal shouldn't invalidate the run. A Life Pot, however, still has some use even at 3hp, and since it is avoidable, I feel it should be a requirement that it is not picked up.
If we were to add the category while nixing the Best Ending Requirement, if anybody actually did a run, I think we would need MI for Normal and Hard Mode, and Easy-MI for Easy Mode.
That being said, I don't see anybody being insane enough to attempt a run for any ending, easy mode or not.
In light of a certain individual's recent achievement, my mind was flooded with shower thoughts of a possible Minimal Items category. The more I thought about it, the worse it got, so now that I've done all the thinking for everyone, here's a digest:
Problem IA: Best Ending Requirement In order to make this category more visible and easier to manage on the leaderboard, we would need to enforce a Best Ending Requirement for all runs. In this way, it would sit alongside API and the others so we wouldn't have to get into the matters of difficulty. The problem in doing this is that runs would be very long and almost impossible to complete consistently due to the difficulty of getting through Hell on 3hp. This brings us to the 1B.
Problem IB: Subcategorization To allow people to run MI more easily, we simply need to allow them to play for different endings individually. We simply would need to place Minimal Items in the Difficulty Subcategory. The problem is that it won't be that simple. Sure, Normal and Hard difficulty will be the same, but Easy Mode halves damage and enemy health. In addition to adding MI, we would need an Easy-MI subcategory to go along with it, which would be messy.
Problem II: Actual Requirements Minimal Items would require that the player only picks up items they are forced to. Of course, this implies no life capsules, missile upgrades, or additional weapons or trades. But some things are little screwy. For instance, when you collect all the dogs for Jenka, you can choose to not talk to her and avoid the Life Pot. Therefore, the item is not required to complete the game, and collecting it would mean breaking the golden rule. In addition, what of picking up useless items, such as the Ogre Medallion or extra Jellyfish Juice? Would taking these invalidate a run? These are the sort of things that need to be answered prior to any consideration of adding a category such as this.
Problem III: The Runs Would be Long
In addition to a lack of a Machine Gun, damage boosting will be entirely thrown out the window. 3hp Chako Skip will be made impossible from a lack of a map. Runners will have to take cautionary routes as well as find ways to maneuver without the aid of the MG Boost. A fully optimized run with Best Ending might be 1:10:00
Problem IV: Who Would Actually Run This? I only know of 4 people currently interested in running hard mode, including myself. Minimal Items is objectively less fun to play than Hard Mode as it is more challenging and just as unforgiving. I don't see anybody playing it.
Problem V: It's a Self-Imposed Restriction This, and all the other reasons described perfectly sums why this should not be a main category. It's something you do to yourself. It's playing the game in a way the developer did not intend for anybody to play it. It's hard, it's slow, it's tedious, it's complicated to define rules, and nobody actually wants to do it.
I think that covers all the bases.
Mimiga% Beat the game with the Mimiga Mask equipped. Meme? Yes. Fun? Also Yes. Add? Good question.
