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United Stateswhit_send7 years ago

I know a decision has already been made, but I do want to make a comment that I agree with Beef about the following: "even just making them separate categories and hiding them under miscellaneous would be fine in my opinion" If there is some sort of push to have runs in the future with DE just because it's easier or some people want to do it for the memes (e.g. they saw it at AGDQ and thought it was a cool thing), a misc category is where I believe it should go. At the moment, though, that doesn't look necessary, but I thought I'd mention this while the topic is still fresh. :)

United Stateswhit_send7 years ago

I just want to clear up that a lot of people seem to be disagreeing about what the main point of this discussion is. If the discussion were version differences, you could compare to things like Citadel Skip in Jak 1, which is only on some black label versions (and possibly some greatest hits versions?). If the discussion were console differences, you could compare to Sly 1, where a backwards compatible PS3, despite how rare they are, has such a huge difference in times (almost a minute). If the discussion were load times, you could compare to any game that removes load times. It's also possible to time loadless, if you're so inclined (you can time average load per console type and count up number of loads if you don't want to be entirely precise about things, especially if there isn't huge variety in loads).

But no, the discussion is about hardware manipulation. This is hardware manipulation. Such a thing is generally STRICTLY banned in speedrun communities. Why, then, is it allowed here? If the answer is just because it has been allowed in past runs, that's not a healthy reason to keep this in. Many people are... I want to say "ethically" but am not sure if that's the right word? but they're against hardware manipulation in runs, and this can keep people from joining the community and this run.

Ignore that it's only possible on some consoles. Ignore whether it saves or loses time. The question is: do you want to allow hardware manipulation such as disc eject while continuing to play the game? Keep in mind that this is disallowed elsewhere. WHY should it be allowed here? That's what I want to pose to the people saying to keep allowing it.

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