Hey! I just realized that there is a new ruling regarding ways to capture the game, as wwell as a save/load prevention rule. as far as I know this wasn't a thing recently.

I find it kind of weird that those were added out of the blue without contacting any of the runners of the game. This means that all my records should be labeled as Emulator despite not being emu because I can't be bothered to capture my game feed on camera, which I also have no way to do with my current setup. Considering how important stylus control is for the game I feel this run at high level is extremly unlikely to not be done on actual hadware. However if you want to be picky about it, whatever it's no big deal.

The one thing that reallymakes me scratch my head is that on top of that not allowing game S&Q makes no sense on an Any% category. If you want no S&Q then it should be a separate category. Even if for whatever reason reseting allowed for actual RNG control, then this should be part of the Any% category (and if it was the case, I doubt it would be used because it would not really save that much time anyway)

Dolphin being inaccurate regarding emulation speed it cannot be on the same board as console. I don't see a good reason to make a board for emulation either. But that doesn't stop you from doing runs!

For what it's worth, there is already a discord I created a while ago for AW speedrunning, with a bunch of resources already available: https://discord.com/invite/czQu3mT

There is an emulator category so you can submit there

Hey! Glad to see someone else had their younger years blessed with this game!

• Emulator is not currently allowed no. We could have a discussion however if that's really a problem to allow Bizhawk with the mGBA core, but I'd personnally prefer it not to be an option to make sure the time is accurate.
• I am pretty sure that you need to complete all but the bonus maps in order to continue, but if that's not the case, then good for you we have some time save :D Categories as defined so far are Any% so if you can skip chapters then do it!

Yeah without expert mode you'd lose ~3 minutes on the grind. it's really just pushing more gogols of cliff. not that much more interesting.

They were both created just a moment ago! I kept forgetting to create them, too busy playing the game :P

I asked to create a new leaderboard for Encore, since it changes so many things in this game.

Most likely the DLC dungeons would have their own category once people actually run that.

Hey! Sorry for the late replies.

Usually if there is no infos about emulator then they are not allowed to be on the leaderboard. Mostly because they are inaccurate. There has been so far no discussions about it in the community either, so if you really want to submit to the leaderboard you will have to have the actual hardware.

I'll still contact Frozer and Deln about it

Awesome feature! Communities too small to have a discord server will be able to connect much better now.

Quick question: did you handle timezones? Cuz I received a message from 3 hours in the future and it's scaring me

Hey!

So I've been working on this game since it came out to make a solid route available here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5iVdh2ochMQ2JCgofCJoi3xBKHk01YtR

While making my splits, I basically realized that this game existed here, and I was just waiting to do a solid run, which should be around 1h30 from my calculation, before creating the game here.

Worth noting that I routed "NG+" to include the Epilogue and not have to do anything extra than campaign, since to do that you need 100 starships and that would basically require to do something like all Puzzles too and like 4-5 extra fast maps.

So two questions here: first, is it possible to have moderator rights for this game, as I'm planning to be quite active in this? Secondly, Any chance to discuss the ruleset for this game? I am seeing that Any% doesn't include the Epilogue which is a shame IMO, and no one besides me seems to have put much time into the game.

There is no discord for this game no. the document should have everything you need though since it's up to date. If in doubt or any question go see Baffan or me I think we are both the most up to date people on the route..

Baffan obviously knows more though.

Sorry for the late reply ^^"

Considering you can just press start to skip cutscenes I highly doubt it would save time.

And even if it did for a few seconds (that's what we're talking about here) not being fluent in the language would probably hurt the menus more, game being a tactical.

Sounds good yeah... if exp wasn't important!

We kinda need the levela for dark Yashiro and Medeus in NG. the skills are a neat added bonus more than anything else.

But hey that's NG+ so maybe you can figure something out!

I get that now Hero, once again sorry about the misunderstanding. And I guess I'll check out your run again, since that improvement you mentioned of the route is apparently not in your notes. It did look like you were a level behind what I usually have there so I guess that could be some of the timesave you had over me!

I agree that it sounds contradictory. And it does feel like it to me when presented like that. The thing is as a leaderboard mod, I want the boards of my speedgames to be accurate and somewhat tidy. Thatmeans versions that are close to the original gets a pass: they are comparable, and they aren't going to make me change the structure of the board every 3 weeks, and Wii U emulation doesn't allow me to do that as it exists right now.

Now as a speedrunner, if I want to run games, I don't really need to know what mods want to do in order to do runs. I think that should make the difference understandable.

I do understand how buying a 200€ set up sounds annoying to have a game on a leaderboard. But it would only move the problem somewhere else; I'm pretty sure I would need to buy a better PC to run Wii U Emulation properly on my current computer, and that's quite a lot of more money to invest into; and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one with that kind of issue.

About the recognition side, well discussing things on discord or twitter, showing your time and investment, streaming it is already a good part of the recognition. I do genuinely believe that this is where most of the recognition comes from, but I guess this is really just my opinion. And if you really want recognition, I don't think spending money for it wouldn't be such a bad idea.

And yes, obviously allowing emulation and making another board for it would make it more accessible. But emulation is still a giant hot mess for the Wii U, it still is for platforms as old as the GBA, that finally had something that is getting close to accurate (and yet still not there), so I'm very much still negative on getting it on leaderboards that are there to compare runs and runners.

Really good idea! I wanted to do so with mine ever since you posted. So here are mine :) https://pastebin.com/umeHrwTs

Once again I never said I was allowing you to post the run on the leaderboard. And if you interpreted my mostly negative posts about the subject then I'm very sorry. But again, you can just run the game and have fun without having it on leaderboards! Hell, we used to not have board for 90% of the speedgames out there before SR.com was a thing; and speedrunning was still very much alive!

The problem with having emu runs as hidden on the leaderboard is that they have no reason to be on the leaderboard if they just save 1h30 or something. It just makes no sense. The time difference is just incredible. And yes, emulation saves a bajillion time, it's incredibly obvious if you compare loading times. I've done enough runs to know that a sub 1 hour is straight up impossible on chapter 1 with the strat I use, which is already super light in the stuff to do. Hell, I can see it dropping to 1:02, and with your strats I know you used to have good times with a 1:06. And you get a 59, 57 and 54 minutes in 3 consecutive runs? That is how I determinated you can save 10 minutes every hour. Which, on a 8-9 hours run, end up looking like 1h30 or so. Now obviously that's extrapolation, but you get the point: the timesave is crazy big.

Now again, speedrunning isn't just about leaderboards. In the current scope that it is in, it is somehow a big deal, but the main reason for it to exist is to compare people's time, and you need accuracy for that. And once again you can run games without video proof/on emulator/pause the timer, and comeback/Just not submit your runs cuz you don't care/All of the above/ and be speedrunning a game! it just doesn't fit the information a leaderboard carry and care about.

Now if in like 10 years the emulator is pretty damn stable and like only save 5-10 minutes if you do a run, I would start heavily thinking about it and probably come with a positive response. I still wouldn't like the idea but the arguments would surely be more balanced

As the quetion was raised in the discord and we have had some submissions of emulator runs, I'd like to make a post about it to clarify it.

As we mentioned before in discord, both mods for the game, me and Ghoul sees it as pretty negative and unproductive to allow Emulator runs on the leaderboard, even on a misc new leaderboard.

Even if it is a nice category to run and play if you have the means to, it is in the end just the same run as the Wii U version but with incredibly smaller loadings. So then what would be the point of running the official version, now that it is slower and with smaller QoL? The only thing for it would be it's the official version, and that would make emu runs more attractive than console, whichis not the objective when it comes to having a time in a game. Knowing how to go faster in an official version of the game is.

The inconsistency of Wii U emulation makes comparison between 2 runners pretty much impossible as well. Have one person with a smaller setup than the second runner and suddenly it's impossible to compare just because of performance issues. and we have seen how Emu is just so much faster; your run is faster by 7 minutes (and latest attempt faster by 10 minutes.) Provided that timesave stays the same, and it doesn't since there's more loading screens later on, that makes at least 1h30 of time difference. And what about newer versions of the emulator, that makes emulation more accurate to the console? Suddenly we are facing a record that is objectively impossible to beat, considering the amount of timesave (that is really just artificial timesave, again) that was done on a worse version. Now sure you could stay on a less accurate version, but then what's the limit? Find the most inconsistent emulator to save more artificial time? How do you make a leaderboard of that mess?

Now obviously the problem is software inconsistency we can't control on a leaderboard unless we start making BS rules. And why is that? Ultimatly a leaderboard is to compare runs. That is all. I am not denying the quality of the run, but denying the interest it has to make a leaderboard for it.

TL;DR: Emulation is not allowed on the leaderboards for this game as it is too inconsistent. But reminder that you can always do runs without submitting them to leaderboards.

Yes this is known! Ocarina Glitch is what allow you to walk on water. Getting picked up by the bird allow to not softlock just like any non white transition when rolling and interracting with stuff. Also makes ennemies active instead of inactive and you can get hit.

When going to ToD, you also don't have to replay the Ocarina to not softlock if you are picked up by the bird.

The potential save for 100% is interesting. I wonder if it works with the current route.

EDIT: yeha know I dumb it can't work since you cancel OG that way rip