I mean a link that is stickied on the forums page to go back and forth.

Just a thought for those looking to chat between the two games since they're essentially the same.

I can confirm that Burk and I both use external HDDs for our runs. AeonFrodo even bought digital after finding this out, though I'm not sure if she uses an HDD or internal storage.

A lot of what people think about this can be found here and I doubt the mods will be willing to make changes to runs that are already submitted as I had mentioned in that thread that there are 500+ runs in total. In my opinion, it is fair as a speed run is a way to beat a game in the fastest method possible.

There are obviously mixed feelings about this all with examples here claiming to be WR in the video title but is 9 seconds behind in a cup category, and another example here where they label their video [Disk WR] with a time difference of 1m 49s.

[quote=VincentWeir]AND WHY THE HECK NOT, MAKE ALL RUNS REQUIRE VIDEO PROOF!![/quote] This is the solution we need! Just look at mk:dd's main page. It clearly states in the rules that top 10 requires video proof. And don't give me this leaderboard placement > personal improvement crap if mods are denying legitimate runners a chance to compete with the community. It's not just about personal improvement but rather the idea to improve your times to better yourself along with others in the game.

Aeon's comment about manipulating times/splits is common sense. I already know of someone that posted fake times with no video proof simply to test the mods and their run was still added (and no I'm not giving any names)

Physically adding the video requirement to the rules would fix all the problems I've seen so far. If they were clearly posted on the site then Vincent would have made sure he had enough space to record his entire run, otherwise he wouldn't have submitted his times in the first place. It doesn't take a $200 capture card to capture a video of a run and if you've invested your time into speed running then you should have no trouble abiding by the rules and capturing the run on video.

Lol hi Delphox :p

I'm glad you brought this up Aeon, and this needs to change. Same thing with your thread you brought up http://www.speedrun.com/mk8/thread/guja5 where someone got a submission through with Frantic Mode instead of Regular Items and it was brushed away. Back then my concerns in my thread from 8 months ago was mainly about the possibility of someone faking times to get that edge on a record but I hadn't even thought about the fact that we all capture the Vs. Settings screen to verify we follow the community guidelines for the runs.

I haven't been speed running this game in a long time and it crossed my mind to try to beat my records again and compete for best times. But seriously what's the point now that there are multiple runs accepted that either flat out don't follow those rules posted for the community to follow or don't even show proof of it in the first place.

There are 516 runs right now for MK8. Even if the moderators wanted to split up the category for digital/physical, there'd still be the matter of who would go through all those runs and determine which run accounts for a small category based on a minuscule variable.

Get off your high horse already about this whole deal. No speed runner is going to use the slowest version of the game to speed run. It all comes down to the fact that a speed run is simply a way to complete a game in the FASTEST method possible.

So I was doing some runs to improve my times last night and after constantly getting bad RNG at Baby Park and Mario Kart Stadium, I figured there had to be some way around computers always pulling lightning/blue shells. I decided instead of holding your items throughout the race to throw every item before reaching the next item box. The salt that I was getting during my runs went down a LOT surprisingly.

Almost everybody can agree that once you get the super horn in 1st place, you want to hold it until blue right? But what if doing so actually increases your chance of cpu's getting lightning or even worse lightning/blue shell combo.

Though none of this has been tested to my knowledge, I'd like to know if anyone else has ever done this and came out with similar results. I would like to run some tests later either tonight or this weekend; do 100 races holding my 1st item the whole race and see what stops me before the finish line, and do 100 races while throwing every item (including horns) before reaching the next item box.

To me it would make sense that Nintendo would put in some sort of safeguard against holding your items throughout the entire race to punish the player in some way. It would come in handy for these speedruns to know whether this actually is controllable or even just decreases chances of computers getting lightning/blue shell.

I'll post back here once I get some sort of results.

I can acknowledge that there are different loading times for disc vs digital versions of the game, and I would be rather interested to see exactly how much it can factor into a run. But there are some things that concern me when it comes to this topic...

First I'll say that DLC cups have a different load time compared to regular cups albeit disc or digital versions. That is simply because the game is loading the tracks off of whatever you have the DLC downloaded to. The only thing the game needs to load is character models and such.

Which brings me to my second issue, which would be what exactly /is/ the game loading off of? First there's obviously the disc itself, then comes the digital version which has many different factors to it on its own. You can either have the game installed directly on the system and run off that or, in my case, have an external hard drive connected to the Wii U's USB 2.0 ports and load off of that. But then you also have to factor in how fast external hard drives can transfer data to the Wii U and how well they compare to other hard drives.

Overall I highly doubt this suggestion will go through simply because it would be too much work on the mods to go through all the already submitted times and separate them depending on their load times. I know exactly where you're coming from when you say that my load times are faster than yours, and I'll admit they are, but that is the point of a speed run--to beat a game with the intent of completing it as fast as possible.

TL:DR good suggestion with valid points, but a speed run is meant to be fast

I agree with you King about not being too harsh on those that cannot upload video proof. Though I feel that splits alone can be manipulated, I would feel better with your suggestion for uploading splits for runs without videos.

Ultimately it's your call on whether you want to make any changes from what it is now since there's submissions now without videos, but in the long run as we get more people submitting times we might be forced to make a change if people try to work around the requirements.

In the end, I'm 50/50 on making a change or keeping it as it is now. I'm only a single person (out of so many other people) addressing my own concerns. I'm leaving it up to you King.

I didn't mean to come off as sounding rude or targeting in my previous post and if I did then I too apologize. I have no issues with you uploading your times, I just find it odd that there isn't a requirement for a specific position on the leaderboard. I know there are some submissions that have lost their videos back when this leaderboard used to be on a Google document about 8 months ago, so of course there's going to be runs with no videos.

Yes, I understand that we all can't afford capture cards, I just find it strange when there are only times posted in a recent submission (1-2 months) when there are some times that have a camera pointed at a TV with a stopwatch on the side. You may just have a data cap on your ISP and cannot upload videos to YouTube, and again I apologize if I'm looking too much into this. In no way am I saying to stop what you're doing. Those are your own times. It's what you can use to make yourself better at the game and enjoy it more and nobody should tell you otherwise.

I'm just raising my concerns for this set of speedruns as I find it a bit strange.

I'm gonna have to disagree with your suggestion Lucario.

I think it should stay like it is now where there's 1 category for RNG (items) and another for itemless. In my opinion, categories should stay as they are now; you've got individual cups, groups of cups, and every cup all based on luck, and itemless should stay as it is too with just all cups for a true test of skill and your knowledge of all the tracks.

Plus with what King said, we probably only have so much extra room for categories, and we always need extra space for if Nintendo ever adds more DLC tracks to the game.

Shouldn't it be required to post a video? It's been bugging me these past few days that times can be posted with no video proof and go into top 5 positions. I'm not saying that those times aren't legit, it's just hard to believe. At least make it a requirement to post a video for top 5 submissions.