glitch relates to using unintended roblox physics, not unintended skips in towers the most controversial glitch vs glitchless arguments are gonna be dance2 non-clips and 11+1 stud high jumps dance2 respawn skip is currently considered glitchless in towel but hitting a button with it is considered a glitch in soff high jumps are nearly impossible to tell outside of maybe certain animation changes

so recently the old boombox was turned into the bootleg speed coil this offers a new way to speedrun the game and i think it's pretty cool, however i would seriously recommend that we separate out categories for bootleg coil and bootleg speed coil. in order to remain competitive in the category's current state, the player must purchase BOTH coils and be able to switch between them during play effectively to optimise all areas in my opinion (and i also consulted rexy about this) i think it would be best to separate them into two categories, as proper routing is going to be an absolute nightmare with both, without considering the execution needed

i mean hey at least we got a WAT speedrun

yeah i did think about its similarities to ladder flicking but figured i'd ask anyway since trusses can't be vertically jumped off normally

2:24

the first maxds wr to fall in over 3 months this guy is gonna be an absolutely cracked speedrunner i can see it

I've discussed this before with Xe and any lag related skip isn't allowed as it can't be reproduced on all devices. (If this were allowable, it would go into Glitchless, as the Glitches category is reserved for unintended mechanics such as wallhops and dance clips.)

@Hyperfantasies All of these highjump skips are finally becoming viable for runs, wonder if the recent physics change has helped this. If so I hope it stays, there seems to be a bunch of new strats popping up everywhere. Really exciting to see. This speedrun is nuts btw.

@hey11543 I suppose the main issue here is that it's a server based glitch and not one that the player can freely perform. I'm not against the idea of making it its own category, but it's not applicable to that many towers, so it would only be a sub-category. It would also be hard to identify which towers we need the sub-category for since any tower with a moderate amount of killbricks could be deemed kb lag abusable. It seems easier to just ban kb lag entirely. Much like the lag lower-end PC users get when restarting a tower (which can be abused in SoUC), not all players can benefit from this. I think killbrick lag should be treated the same, it's a lot easier to find a server without it than with it, and just have it banned altogether to keep things the most fair.

Killbrick lag has become rarer and rarer over time. Towers such as ToIE, ToFaF, ToOH (glitchless), ToAT and more are completely unrunnable without this kb lag. The extent of kb lag required also varies greatly. ToAT is a tower that only requires a small amount of kb lag to pass through without stopping, whereas ToFaF kb lag must be extreme in order to make it through the various kb heavy floors without stopping to heal. Is it worth invalidating all world record runs that gain an unfair advantage from kb lag? This will only include runs that would certainly have died had normal kb damage been taken.

no lol

updated title to match retime 72 splits moment @xe

as far as i know the reason it's banned is because it does give a slight advantage, not everyone can use it, and it's not the intended way to play

FPS unlocker doesn't have a purpose anymore, if you set your FPS to unlimited the game will still force you to a maximum of 75. Removing old runs doesn't seem like an issue as there appears to be no problem resetting leaderboards whenever a tower gets a slight change in design or patch. I would argue that you should remove the FPS rule entirely as I've seen no evidence that getting an FPS above 75 is possible.

I don't understand why it's a rule now and doesn't apply to back then. Keep in mind runs back then were still able to use FPS unlocker, while now the game restricts you to a maximum of 75. It is not unfair to apply it retroactively when the retroactive runs are the ones that are most likely to be using FPS unlocker. If the runs do not comply with the current rules, they should be removed, much like if you made a game require video proof, you would remove all runs without it. It just seems like common sense. Is there a way to bypass the FPS limit that I don't know about? The rule seems quite unnecessary nowadays.

I submitted two world records for ToFAST yesterday, one for Glitches and one for Coils. Both were rejected because they did not display the FPS during the run, as noted in Rule 7 for runs. However, this run was rejected by Xerunox, one of the Super Mods, who currently holds both the No Glitches and Coils world records for the tower, and verified his own runs despite not showing the FPS in his gameplay. To ensure fairness I would recommend that moderators uphold their runs to the same standard as regular players, even if that means invalidating their old runs if they do not conform to new rules.

k1ngtempest's ToAST 1:54.140 coils should be readjusted to 1:58.090 (in game timer) as he unfortunately missed the winpad at 2:46 and when he climbed back up normally it warped him instantly

Possibly the most pointless category of all time, "All Gears, Level 6".

could you at least make a tas showing 21.25 on level 1 is possible lol

It's sad to see one of the oldest community members leave us, but the reasoning is completely understandable and I agree with the points you've outlined in this post. Running a server, a game, a COMMUNITY, is difficult at times, especially when things are going on in your life, which is what made Zoom pass on his leadership. However, it is abundantly clear that 404 cannot maintain suitable activity and interaction with us, and therefore should give his role to someone who deserves it. I'm not going to suggest who should be given the role as I don't want to promote certain people and leave out others. Over time, the scene for this game has changed. In Hydro's own words, Soulcloset (Tay) ran this community like a family. We all felt as if we were a part of something. When Zoom held ownership, it was like a massive friendship between us all, and again we were a part of a greater community. I don't see that anymore, and I really think that's because the leadership here has dropped off. Many of our staple runners and members from the past have since left, and our own leader and Discord owner cannot spend enough time speaking with us, or even connecting with us at all. As for run verification, I would suggest that any runner who is active in speedrunning this game and frequently speaks in the Discord server should put themselves forward for a moderator position to help with the runs, because it is clear to me our current ones cannot find the time or are not prepared to do so. I have nothing against any of them, though. To conclude, I genuinely hope this community reaches its former glory; not in terms of activity, but in terms of friendship and support. I feel like we haven't had that in a while and that needs to change. As for ownership, I'm not insulting 404 in any way, but I DO believe someone else needs to take over. Someone who speaks frequently with others and still has a passion for this game. That person has to guide our community if we are to reach satisfaction. I wish you all the best, Hydro. I hope that someday you can look back on our community and we'll have put the changes in place that you wished to see in your time here.