The main problem that I have with this discussion is it keeps coming back to "what is pacifist" even to the point of bringing up a collection of dictionary definitions. The rules for pacifist should be defined based on the mechanics of the game. So for determining whether or not a skill can be used by you or your pets based on the mechanics of the game: -The skill cannot hit -The skill cannot apply a bit rate (poison/fire wall etc.) -Reflected damage/on taking a hit procs are allowed -Breaking any of these rules during the run should result in the run being disallowed -Must be done on /players 1 -Must NOT use a pre-generated map -This is a 'Real Time Attack' run: The usage of "Safe and Exit" is allowed -Timer starts on character creation and ends when Baal dies

What: Mandagon any% race

Where: Most likely SRL

When: 11th December 6pm EST

So tomorrow, me and some of the other mandagon runners will be racing any%. Mandagon is a relatively new game (3 months old) that is free on steam. It is a short exploration game that is a 2D platformer. Currently the WR for the any% category is 6:49.93 IGT, so the run is really short and also easy to learn. So if you have a spare few minutes come check out the race and if you are interested in running mandagon feel free to ask any of the runners during the race or send me a pm. Would love to see more people run this game!

madinsane

I'm organising a race for any% this coming sunday (11th December). If you are interested in joining the race either send me a message here or on discord. You need to sign up before Friday if you want to join so we can organise a time. The idea is for the runners to all start any% at the same time and with 1 no reset run see who talks to the blue guy first. If the race works out well we can organise more consistent races and also race other categories such as all totems.

EDIT: I did mean the 11th (thanks messenger)

Lets compare the 2 routes: The main difference is with the teleport. Both have the same number of teleports messenger - top left-lower middle, lower middle-top right madinsane - upper middle-lower middle, top left-top right So they should be the same besides the travel time of the cursor between the different tablet stands (which could be tested but due to the point im about to make is irrelevant) In the current version (don't know about the version you ran) there is a bug where straight after quitting and re-entering if you then teleport and instantly place the table in without moving first the game doesn't update your position so quitting and re-entering causes you to return at the position pre-teleport. The way to prevent this is to move after teleporting and then go straight back and activate the stand (hence why I move when placing the second to last tablet). This allows me to do the same number of teleports with a different route. For tablet 5 this is a problem since you need to move or you will be far away from tablet 6 stand. I could do the route that you do but im pretty sure they are almost identical in times, its mainly a 3 tablet habit but im pretty sure it doesn't lose time and as you will see when my new run is verified it is perfectly capable of getting a very good time.

Due to an update to the game, the auto splitter is no longer functional, The game time was timed manually by me watching back my run and attempting to be as accurate as possible, if you really want to you can time it yourself, since it is highly likely that my timing isn't 100% accurate I clearly still have a long way to go with losing around 2.5 seconds on the tower and many more elsewhere (doors not liking me). Also bear in mind that my route is different to yours so comparing what time you think you would've got with those mistakes may not be the same as my route.