Thanks for your research Dave.

If it's definitly impossible to sort by score, let's sort the board by time but with a matter of the highest score. As you saw in the Tetris page. Let's put an objetcive of points and a timecap of 30min to finish the game with at least the objective of points achieve. This way you can sort it by time and the score at the end of the game.

Without farming points, it's hard to reach to about 3'500'000-3'800'000pts. To avoid farming, sorting by time is perfect. At the end of the game every one is going to have a score upper the fixed objective. Within a time below 30min. But the score is going to be different for every one. So, time is different and score is different.

Let's say it clearlier: You must finished the game below 30min with a minimum of 3'800'000. As Matthew said, a slower run with a highest score is still the better run. For exemple you: Making 4'000'000pts within 29minutes is better than making 3'900'000 in 28minutes.

What do you think ?

I've just discovered one difference between hard,normal and easy mode points.

At the end, you've got a rank bonus that worth 700'000 in normal and 1M in hard mode

As far as I know, there is no scoring differnce between each mode. It's just easier to make a better score in easy mode than in hard mode. If you'd like to do it this way, with an objective of score. For example 3millions. It's gonna be technically impossible to determine when the score is achieve. Because you have to wait the end of the game and the last screen before the game displayed your score with your Bonus and Items from the last level. (It also add the life remaining points). It's not like Tetris where your score is directly shown. But the solution could sound like this: You have to finish the game as fast as it's possible with the more points you can get. And the board will be sorted by the highest score and the time spend. But it's gonna really looking like a speedrun.

That's true. I already thought about that. It will create inequality. It's a fact. Even with a timecap. Even though the problem isn't completely solve with my idea. It will provide a rule that avoid people farming with or without purpose.

Kinda the way I already said: During the boss fight you are obliged to kill every ennemy on the screen. BUT the Boss first. As quickly as it's possible. You can kill spawned enemies as long as it helps you to kill the boss faster. But not to increase voluntarly your points.

Obviously if you're quick enough and skilled enough you won't have to kill a lot of spawned enemies. And you're going to lose some hundred's of points. But it's not significant compare to all the points you can score by playing well in the other part of the game. Such as Bonus game, levels and boss fight without spawned ennemies.

I think it's quite easy to spot a guy who play really well during the level making lots of points and playing really bad on boss fight to get points by killing spawned enemies.

I watched the video of a guy who pretends he has the world records. He scores 4'351'930pts. He doesn't farm during boss fight. Except for the second level of Gold Mine. Where you can easily see he could have killed the boss faster.

In my opinion it's much more significant playing well, fast, destroy every single pixel you can, never lose life (increase them is a good way to make a huge score), etc.., than trying to cheat by simuling your wickness by farming where you can.

But of course it's not as easy to judge than a real speedrun. And obviously not a clinic and mathematic yes or no.

What do you think ?

Let's play with honor so.

The timecap is a good idea to start. We can start having some first rules and modified them if it's necessary.

As we said, the honor is the main rule. With the timecap it might work.

Mod's opinions would be great to hear now :)

So. Here it is:

• Game level : normal mode --> To choose one instead of the others (otherwise you'd have to create too many categories, Start with one and wel'll see)

-Version: US,EU,JP players choice. -->After a while everyone is going to play on the best one.

-The start: At the choice caracter like in the speedrun company. It is important to add a rule that doesn't allowed players to press the start button to pause the game. Also mentionned that you have to go as fast as possible through the menu's selection. The end is obviously when Kid is dead.

To avoid too long runs -->According to what I mentionned, In almost every boss fight the players can kill other enemies. Let's impose that: You have to kill every possible ennemies that appear on the screen. As far as it's possible. It's gonna be a bit hard to check every run. So we have to trust players.

-Dying is okay. Game over isn't ! --> You lose all you're point anyway.

To resume: I think it could give some good runs and great for a competition. Maybe not the funniest ever to watch. It'd be based one players sincerity. But it also the way the game is fun to play. Waiting to increase scores killing the same robot for 7 hours is fun killing. With the rules it is even not allowed.

The goal is simply to get the highest score.

I like to play this way and I'm sure I'm not the only one to try to break over the 3 000 000 000 points.

Thanks for reading

Tim

Thanks to you JD.

I'm gonna try to define some rules.

Thanks for your replie and opinion.

As far as I know, you can increase your score with what you mentionned indeed. In addition of that the game add some other points to your score. Such as the number of life remaining at the end.

I think you're right about the RNG. And a lot of speedrunned game include RNG (It is obvious in every game, but in a game like this, if the RNG is too important, it would be impossible to Highscored.) But let's say it's only the way you said.

I've noticed some level where you can make points without finishing the level. Always during the "Boss phase". Cause there is no timer in those phases. If you don't kill the main boss, you can keep on killing the others ennemies.

Like in the second level of the GoldMIne. There is two possibilities to avoid players to increase their score this way.

1. It is simply not allowed, but hard to find out if it's or not on purpose.

2. Creating Hi Score category pro level or series of level. (except those like the one mentionned before)

Does Any mod want to created that ?

Hi guys,

I'm wondering why there is no "Hi Score Category" in the Leaderboard ?

Something about a nonsense from the game condition that I don't know ? The RNG maybe ? I love this game but I don't know how the game works. Moreover how the RNG is generated. Or perhaps no one has ever created a leaderboard for HS. Or simply because the website' name is Speedrun...:)

If someone can answer. It would be appreciate.

Tim

By the way you should use BSNES... Far better to me

Hi Phantom, Here is the global rules for this category you want. If you read the point 4), You.ve got your answer !

1. Only official Japanese, American and European versions are allowed.

2. Turbo is banned.

3. Pressing Up+Down or Left+Right simultaneously is banned.

4. The full credits must be shown for categories which beat the game.

5. All major glitches are banned.

Merci :)

So.. May I have the link for the SRCom Discord ? Thanks

French mothertongue here ! And good knowledge in English (C1). So if you need help for the french part, contact me. I'd help with pleasure.

And it's perfect again. I will join you so. With great pleasure. Thanks for reading me. Tim

My mistake, this SD2NES is a tool for people playing without emulator. So obviously it won't work in any case with my ROMhack

I also try to download the SD2Nes (it's written on the Wiki-alttp page that you must have this "stuff". Yeah I called it "stuff" cause I thought it was an emulator. But inside the SD2NES folder, there isn't emulator at all.

Hi again,

After hours trying I become mad. I really need help on this. I downloaded the BSNES-PLUS V0.73x64. I can open every .sfc files from the "save states pack" and also the "lttphack_7". But it's always the same thing. When I'm on the select file screen, I can't do anything more. Except for crying. I read every sentences from this page : http://milde.no/lttp and also the "read me" from the pack of BluntBunny. I try to press"Y+select+L to load a save state. It makes the game black screen...

How can I make this ROM work ? How can I load a save states that's inside the hack ? How can I add the "save states pack" ?

I want so much to try this tool. Need a guy who know how to set this up. Please. Help will be appreciate

So I downloaded the save states pack made by BluntBunny. And the ROMhack (V7). Then I tried on my emulators. BSNES 0.88 and BSNES V0.91. The game starts. But when I try to select a file, it force me to enter a name and again select a file. Like for ever. I tried to add in the emulator folder "super famicon" the whole folders from the pack (the save states basically) But when I try to open only the file. It happened the same "infinity loops of entering then selecting". Sure I did something wrong. First I absolutely diddn't manage to get BSNES-PLUS. But it's only to have "all the features" right. It should work into BSNES v0.88 ? By the way, none of my .sfc that works perfectly on V.088 works on V.091.

I really want to learn more about how to set comfortably my emulator. Does someone know a place where I can learn about ? Or want to answer me in detail some tips. Promise swiss chocolate as reward :)

Hope I'm not tedious. Already thanks.

Screevo, you are a king. I diddn't even know that such a tool exists. It's the place to practice. I'm gonna manage to get it. And bsnes-plus as well. Maybe I'll ask you some details later if you don't mind.

I've just lost my 32 save states that I manage to keep within keeping my computer switched on every day and night. Evil ! Some unexpected re-start... I suffered in my bones