I'd definitely agree with not touching any existing categories, there's still a lot to be uncovered in them too.

That would still rely on fumbles

I will send it their way! Also I'm fine with an alternative point #, the points chosen were based on allowing two ways to get victory and to keep the goal within our time constraints. It matching the super bowl winning point total was a coincidence, we were first!

We had 65+ people run "get 25 points" on Saturday if that counts for something

In Big 20 #18 we had the goal of "Score 25 points". This was a fairly unique goal compared to the others on the leaderboard because it didn't require running the clock -- in fact, running the clock was bad!

I am looking at playing all the games from the Big 20 in a speedrunning sense, but there don't seem to be any categories for this game that don't involve running the clock. 25 points might not be the best option but any category that would involve people playing the game but not running out the clock after hitting the point threshold would be a welcome change. The "49 points category" is close, but at the end you still need the clock to run out.

4 year necro bump, for big 20 we just did a partial goal of chapter 2 -- with how this game is set up, having a "beat chapter 1", "beat chapter 2", etc., as misc goals could be good mini-goals that would let people explore the game some. We had a blast looking deeper into the game and it could be a good way to get more people looking at DW.

If I made and provided a romhack of this that just allowed you to go straight to the title screen would that be allowed and/or appreciated

Or even just a longer version of the points goal

There are a multitude of categories that could exist for this game, but very few have played it all the way through to know what they could be. Because of its historically low activity, I'm open to categories being created that are shorter in nature compared to the full game, which can be several hours. If you have an idea for a category and are willing to run it, let me know and I can create a category for it if it is appropriate.

Suggested categories could be:

• Any% - Complete both main missions. This was suggested by the developer for TMR during his NESMania project. This run could be over 10 hours long, though it could also be much shorter for someone who routes the game out. I am 100% fine with this category allowing for breaks in the stream and/or pausing the timer due to the incredibly length of the game.
• Complete a Mission - Complete either of the main missions
• Achieve specific rating. There are different ratings you can get by playing the game and destroying ships (e.g., "Dangerous"). These are concrete goals that are a bit more targeted.
• Achieve a certain amount of currency (e.g., Millionaire, Billionaire, etc.). This is a trading game so it can be a category on its own.
• Complete a Bounty. There's bounty hunting in this game! Completing one of these tasks would involve improving your ship, finding and completing the bounty.

I'm also open to other ideas people may have, such as gathering the best equipment for your ship, becoming a pirate, etc., there are many partial goals available. As I have time I will explore some of these myself and maybe make the category and run myself.

The "primary" category for now is Training as it is the only created category. It is short and introduces the game and controls. This is a PAL game that doesn't play well with Everdrives, so it is likely emulator only for most. As more categories are created, they would become the primary category. The primary category would be whichever run is most competitive and the most complete game -- ideally Any%, completing a mission, or achieving a specific rating.

If TMR and Dugongue, who have both completed a casual playthrough of Elite, wanted to submit their runs as Any% runs I would be accepting of this and use their runs as a baseline for the ruleset in terms of breaks.

I can say that a score board would be good for this game. NWChampionship does it as well.

If you wanted to create an alternate goal that uses score but is still time based, it could be "high score %" -- you must get a high score for each board.

Fixed

To reiterate JSR's post, we currently have over 100 people running this which is more than the 300k points category. It's also a relatively short run (7-9 min) and is fun.

The shaaaaaaaaades did it!

Ah, I see what you're asking now -- I updated the rules to clarify. You can use the movie theater warp, but you would need to earn it in that run. Unlocking the warp and then starting a new game to use the warp would not be allowed, as time would start on control from the first attempt.

The warp only works if you've made it that far in the game anyways, on a new game it only gives you an extra life to sit through the movie.

1 million points

When you get 1 million points the score resets

That is all

When starting from a fresh file (with the waterfall cutscene), you can immediately soft reset and save about 10 seconds of time.

Why is this not allowed for "Any%"? I would like to not lose 10 seconds of my life D:

I plan on running this glitchless in the future.

• wall clips
• wall jumps (the old 1-4 trick)
• screen wraps in world 2
• health underflow glitch

^those were the things I was going to remove exactly.

Would A+B on controller 2 be allowed? (It lowers or raises shop prices, depending on the shop)

I played this a long time ago and stopped because the intro bothered me between resets

Yogi won't let me make a romhack that allows skipping the intro

so now I want to get two NESes and two copies of Solstice running and just switch the A/V cables when I die

is this legal

We could always ask the Devs to make a harder mode where taunt doesn't give you special, that'd simplify things