GermanyActually, one of the primary functions of a leaderboard is to compare competitors among each other. If there is no competition then there's no need for a board. No one stops you from enjoying whatever run you pursue but creating a leaderboard for every category a single person enjoys will ultimately just clutter the board with "dead" categories that have a one-and-done run. If the community deems a category worthwhile then there's no problem with adding a board, but until then I agree with KaguyaNicky on holding off creating the board until there's more interest in the category in the community.
Hey,
As far as the leaderboards go the streaming guidelines can't really be incorporated into the rules in any way, shape, or form due to them making runs that are missing said content ultimately be unverifiable. Also, similarly to previous ATLUS games that have had streaming guidelines they have not actually been enforced for this game either. Most videos that have been taken down in the past have been videos/streams that broke street date (i.e. uploaded content of the game prior to its release date). Otherwise all of the runs on this board would have been taken down by ATLUS already. If you're still concerned about it, you could always have an unlisted video of a run instead of a public one on youtube for example.
Hey everyone.
After a long time we have decided to separate the runs on the original version from the runs done on the english translation patch. Main part of the reasoning for that is the somewhat major discrepancy in speed between the original version and the english fan translation. Personally, I'm an advocate of "play the fastest version available." when it comes to speedrunning. However, given the circumstances of the english version not being an official release version, it is needless to say that this mindset doesn't quite apply in this scenario, therefore we've decided to split them now that there's more of an impact due to an influx of new runners for this game.
As an added piece of info; Neither version obsoletes each other meaning you can have a time in both sub categories if you feel like it.
There was also an update to the rules section for both, the game in general as well as the (sub-)categories to clarify certain things a little more. Keep in mind, some of these could be subject to change in the future but for the time being they appear quite appropriate so make sure to read through them.
As for some general information updates.
Somewhat recently there have been new extra patches for the english translation that actually alter the gameplay (e.g. double EXP, Manicure being sold in Mercury's solo arc in chapter 2, etc.). Some of you might unknowingly be using those versions, so make sure to double check that if you plan to do a run on an english translated version.
Edit 2021/11/12:
Minor update to the emulator rules happened a few hours after initially posting it so make sure to re-read them if you haven't already.
Another thing I want to point at is that it's approaching the end of the year and people are generally more busy during these times, especially given that a lot of game releases are happening soon as well. If any of your submissions are sitting in queue for a bit longer do not be alarmed. We will get to them eventually even if it'll take a bit of extra time.
I vaguely remembered that I edited a lot of RAM values when testing things back in the day that's how I came to the conclusion it could have been related to that. As for the last part. There's no reason to to make another thread just for that. 99% of people will just copy whatever the fastest run does anyways, and the people who actually care to know will either figure it out by reading up on stuff like here, or ask about it in which case it's easy to point out.
I mean, I don't really have a lot to say. All of the testing I ever did for this game is multiple years in the past and I haven't touched the game ever since. Fwiw, you didn't do "exactly" the same thing in the video you posted about the dragon. Your party was different and so was your luck stat. Regardless of the latter being lower the second time around you should have the same playing field for testing purposes. Especially in a scenario where you're unsure of what the cause of the weird behavior is. Also it could be that the dragon just can't be damaged properly before the scene. If that wasn't the case, it could also be that your average or overall party attack was too low with Moon in the party but it's obviously high enough now that Moon was replaced with Saturn. This could be a hidden mechanic for all I know and applicable to your situation in the other scenario you mentioned. My memory in regards to any tests I've done is too hazy and frankly, I don't really care enough to play through the game to test any of that myself right now when I don't plan to touch the game again quite yet.
It's hard to give a specific answer here without seeing every detail myself but you have to keep in mind that this game has a very fine line of going from "normal" damage to "absurdly low" damage. Sometimes 1 stat point difference can already push you below said threshold. You also have to keep in mind that Luck gives you bonus stats, too. So during your testing, you might have experienced the same fight with the same stats, but different luck values, therefore giving you different results at different times if you were at the threshold line.
Yes.
I'm not sure why you're posting this again in another thread that's unrelated to it after you've already received a response to it initially.
If you wanna speedrun Tycoon so badly, then go for it but it's not being added to the board as there's absolutely no point in doing so. Also, as Liv mentioned, it's so far from an entry level category to the game as it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual gameplay of it.
No, it's not allowed.
Due to the shortage of available PS5 console we haven't really had any chance to do any excessive testing for the game on PS5. It was suggested earlier during the PS5 release to hold off on adding PS5 runs to the board for now until we have concrete information on potential differences, loads, behavior, etc. and people generally weren't against that idea so we've held off adding PS5 for now. Unfortunately the consoles are still quite difficult to come by for most people so nothing has changed so far.
We do not plan on currently adding any new categories that the majority of the community has no interest in. What you're describing is more of a "challenge" run if anything. Of course, in the end you can do or run whatever you want but it won't be added as a category to the boards here.
Liv summed most of this up pretty well.
As far as your question goes. There's no point adding any% as basically almost nobody is interested in it, far less so than NG+ even. Also, even if, there would not be any restrictions for difficulty or anything else outside of DLC for any% because that's exactly what that term means.
NG+ would probably be the most likely category to be added if there was some actual work done on optimizing it by people, like Liv mentioned before. However, that's not currently the case. Almost everything else would be too niche in terms of interest to be worth adding to the boards resulting in dead categories which we've been trying to avoid after the Persona 4 case. Unlike P4G, this game's any% isn't 3 hours and a good entry level run. It's still around 9 hours or more which isn't really too inviting to most new runners either since it's still abysmally long in comparison to the vast majority of speedgames.
There's next to no interest in any% so there's also no point in adding a category that will potentially have one run and then be dead forever. It's happened in the past on other persona games with different categories. As Liv said, NG+ in P5 is a prime example of stagnated and poorly optimized categories even after people yelled so loudly about wanting it added. If you still wanna give those runs a try regardless, best of luck to you. If it was entirely tied to them being on SRC leaderboards then it's probably best to spend that time otherwise.
First and foremost. Just because there isn't a category on the leaderboards doesn't stop you from running whatever you want in the end. At the same time, just because someone does a run of "something" doesn't automatically mean it will get added to the leaderboards just because it exists. There's been a lot of discussion about it in the past regarding Persona 5 already. Refer to Liv's post in this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/persona_5_royal/thread/90ide/1#rsy6f - It sums up some of the points regarding categories, even outside of NG+.
I figured it might be useful to have a couple of explanations regarding some things that people may have questions about.
-- True End Definition --
Some people might be confused as to why Akechi's Confidant is required in the True Ending run. While it is true that simply beating Maruki gives you almost the exact same ending you will be missing a scene during the ending cinematic if you haven't maxed Akechi's Confidant, therefore not making it the "true" ending. Akechi's 3rd awakening is NOT required for this scene to trigger.
To sum it up, you'll be required to complete the following.
- Councillor Rank 10
- Justice Rank 10
- Complete Maruki's Palace
-- DLC --
Similar to Persona 5, all DLC is banned from speedruns again. Some people may argue "But there's free DLC accessible for everyone" which is a fair point, but not a good reason to allow it. There's multiple reasons behind banning all DLC and not just specific ones.
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No DLC means base game. Anybody should be able to pop in their disc or Download their game on a fresh system and be able to do a run without any extra steps required.
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Sony's DLC system on PS4 is just really bad. There's no way to enable or disable downloading specific DLC. As soon as you own it, you'll have it. While there's a workaround for physical copies it, once again, is either all or no DLC.
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No one will ever know what may or may not happen to certain DLC, or online services in general. This may put later runs at disadvantages if certain DLC might become unavailable.
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Allowing DLC trivializes the run immensely, removing a lot of the actual appeal of running or routing the game for a lot of people.
Should DLC be installed on the system it won't be a problem as all of the items and costumes are stored inside the cardboard box in Joker's room. So as long as the box isn't interacted with, no DLC will be obtained. As far as DLC Persona are concerned those obviously can't be used either. While it may inconvenience fusion routes for some people it is an unfortunate side effect that can however be worked around. If a DLC Persona ends up being obtained from a fusion accident there are two choices.
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Reload the latest save file.
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Release the DLC Persona immediately without utilizing it in any shape or form and continue the run.
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Everything that was DLC on Legacy versions will be considered DLC on Remaster versions as well and therefore is not allowed.
-- Version Specifics --
Legacy version runs may be performed on both, PS4 and PS5. Runs of the PS5 Remaster version however have to be submitted to the Remaster category instead.
-- Misc --
Turbo controllers may be used.
Last edit: 2022/11/15
